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Case Model S - How much of a rebuild should I do?

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cjcocn

01-11-2008 09:12:31




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I posted this in the Restoration and Repair Tips forum, but so far have not had much luck so I am reposting it here.

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I have a Case Model S (circa 1950) that has been sitting in the bush for years.

Recently I brought it home and this past weekend I towed/pushed it into my garage. I started getting to know it a bit better last night, and most of the tin is off the front (including radiator, cylinder head, carb, starter, magneto, oil filter, etc).

Both the engine and the transmission(?) had water in them.

The engine has thawed enough that the water and oil is draining as I write this and the engine is no longer frozen (in any sense of the word). Yesterday I poured some ATF/Kerosene mix into the engine once I had the valve cover off and also sprayed some AeroKroil into the cylinders via the spark plug holes. Today I tried to give it a bit of a turn (with just my hands on the flywheel pulley) and it turns quite freely. Not knowing what was going on internally, I just verified that the engine would turn and moved on.

NOTE: I broke a grand total of two bolts yesterday, even though once I had a few out they looked like they could just as easily snapped in two. That AeroKroil is great stuff!

The rear of this tractor seems to be one big gear box. The oil that came out of it, while old, did not appear too discolored for gear oil and contained no water.

I still have to find out if there are other sections that must be drained independently (there are two more drain plugs that I see?), but it looks like my water problems are centered around the engine and .... tranny? There was a drain plug right behind the engine on the right side and below the starter. It was frozen yesterday, but has thawed some and is slowly draining. There is still a bit of ice in there so hopefully it will be ready to drain completely tomorrow.

I think I will switch angles tomorrow and start taking off the tin at the rear (wheel wells, gauge cluster, etc.) so that I can more easily access the transmission and rear end covers. That will allow me to do some inspections.

Here are my questions:

1. How much should I get into the engine to check things over? I was planning on at least removing the oil pan and having a look-see, and also using that path to flush the engine (top to bottom).

2. There is some rust in the coolant (?) paths. Can I remove enough components to adequately flush the cooling system?

3. The gears appear to be at least shift-able. Are there enough plates that I can remove to look for problem areas, or does the presence of water dictate that I strip all components completely?

4. Being a unit frame, is there an ordered way to dismantle this tractor should it be necessary? (i.e. front first, the the two back pieces, etc)

5. I am going to assume that because the engine is free I can get the transmission free as well (I already shifted it into neutral). Is it too early to be ordering shop manuals and should I wait until I have a look at the gear box(es) to see if there is too much damage there?

6. Which general books on rebuilding tractors do you recommend? I am not sure if I will keep the Case, but since it is my first tractor I may end up doing just that. Regardless, I am already looking for my next tractor (more HP, a 3PH, FEL, etc.) so will need books that are general in nature, but that still contain good information.

Other Notes:

a. I am not sure why this tractor was parked as the guy who gave it to me inherited it when he bought the property.

b. I have never worked on a tractor before, so I really have no clue as to what I am doing.

c. I have never rebuilt an engine before, but I have been known to tinker from time to time.

d. I do not usually talk this much (I actually prefer to read and learn), but I figure that I would like to know more about tractors and that rebuilding one is a good way to learn.

e. Yes, I am taking pics as I go, but being at home on dial-up precludes my being too quick to post them up.

Thanks

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Fred Milner

01-13-2008 17:25:27




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 Re: Case Model S - How much of a rebuild should I do? in reply to cjcocn, 01-11-2008 09:12:31  
A few years ago I bought an H Farmall that was stuck bad. I had to take the head and pan off to get it to turn over. When I got it free, I didn't know if any of the tractor had problems so I just put it back together with new plugs and rebuilt the carburator. I got it started with the idea of testing it to see what needed to be fixed. It smoked so bad that I couldn't see the tractor. I let it run and as it got warmer it stoped smoking and It didn't seem to have any big problems so it is still running as is 3 years latter. The point is you know nothing about the tractor so if you can get it to run before you take it apart you will have a clue as to what it needs. If you can't get it to run then start rebuilding and hope for the best. I also have an S case. It is the standard like yours. I like it a lot. It runs good but I have the cast wheels and the rear tires are very expensive. I would like to find a way to use a wider tire on the rear but they will hit the belt pully as they are set up. Good luck with the tractor. You know you will have to get more tractors now. One is never enough. Fred.

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cjcocn

01-12-2008 14:05:49




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 Re: Case Model S - How much of a rebuild should I do? in reply to Jeff mans, 01-11-2008 09:12:31  
rgorange

I did not realize that my email was hidden. I just changed it so it should show up. Your email is currently hidden, so you will have to email me first to establish an email contact between us.

Patsdeere

Thanks for the response. Sometimes I think that I will be firing this tractor up in a week, but then I take a step back and remember that (for example) this tractor has been sitting for years and "it will take time to unget that way" (I may add that phrase to my list of favorites!).

Also, that link you provided is great! It contains a ton of info and will give me something to refer to until my manuals arrive. Thanks!

Dave

Thanks for that link as well. There is a ton of info out there and every trail to that info helps!

C. Amick

Thanks for that bit of info. There was minor water filtration into the clutch housing, but only ± 1/2 cup of water was in there. Considering the size of the clutch housing, I am not sure that it was enough to cause cracks, but you can be sure that I will examine everything for cracks. I was told about some form of chemical and/or spray that will aid in finding cracks so I will see what I can get my hands on after I am done tearing everything down.

Thanks again all!

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rgorange

01-12-2008 20:12:01




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 Re: Case Model S - How much of a rebuild should I do? in reply to cjcocn, 01-12-2008 14:05:49  
Your email is still not there. Not sure what one needs to do to make it "open". Send an email to rguggisberg at sbc global dot net Take out the spaces and you know what to do with the "at" and the "dot". Don't post a valid email in a forum because there are rogue programs that just spin though online info scanning for email addresses to harvest.



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rgorange

01-11-2008 16:44:11




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 Re: Case Model S - How much of a rebuild should I do? in reply to cjcocn, 01-11-2008 09:12:31  
A lot of very good questions. I have an SC to retore some day, so I would really enjoy seeing replies. Let me know if you get good info via email that we could share. I "clip and save" postings, so I have a lot of good info from this site but short on experience. I am eager to put it to use when I get the tractor home some day. If your email is open I will send you the ifo I have.



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patsdeere

01-11-2008 11:11:46




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 Re: Case Model S - How much of a rebuild should I do? in reply to cjcocn, 01-11-2008 09:12:31  
Just got completely done with my "first tractor". It is a complete learning curve. A few things to remember:
1. Farmers like to make things work for them (so there may be some odd setups)
2. These things are old and grumpy
3. Anything stuck took time to get that way (and will take time to unget that way)
4. I don't know of any tractors that are water tight when left in the elements (seeps through covers/tiny holes or maybe osmossis :) )
5. The manuals are a must for just about any tractor

Here is a sight I use for parts and stuff. It has all the parts listed for just about every case model.

Taking pictures is great. Take them of any part that seems the least bit not totally obvious - including simple things like breaks, hydraulic units, hoses, piping. I took enough pictures so that I could lay them out and do a "digital" walk around the tractor. Those pics will be a tremendous help when putting everything back together.

As mentioned earlier, check for cracks since it was frozen (literally). I have 2 that had cracks behind the carb. 1 has been fixed with no problem and I haven't tried the other yet.

Enjoy.

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C. Amick

01-11-2008 09:26:52




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 Re: Case Model S - How much of a rebuild should I do? in reply to cjcocn, 01-11-2008 09:12:31  
That's a lot of questions. I'll try to answer a few of them now. Email me if you need more help. There is a separate oil reservoir for the wet (oil) clutch. You must remove the drain plug at the bell housing. If it has a hydraulic pump, there should be a separate reservoir for it as well at the rear of the tractor. If the engine has been frozen, you need to check for cracks. The block and/or sleeves could be cracked from freezing. The most prone place for a crack is just behind the carburetor. Just because you have a crack doesn't necessarily mean that the engine is shot, however. One way to check for cracks (in addtion to visual inspection)is to fill the engine block with coolant and look for drips into the engine crank case with the oil pan removed.

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