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Re: Energy use per capita,tonnes of oil


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Posted by IndianaRed on February 26, 2011 at 07:18:21 from (75.46.81.162):

In Reply to: Re: Energy use per capita,tonnes of oil posted by Adirondack case guy on February 24, 2011 at 15:54:38:

"Their cars are small and efficient", and much less comfortable. My family is in KS, I live in IN, should I pile 5 people in a Mini and travel 11 hours?

"we all think that we need a fresh head of lettuce from Mexico or California", and just how did that happen? We didn't always get produce from CA did we? No. Were they able to grow, ship, and sell (otherwise known as "market") their products better than their competition? Yes. A natural market force took place, people made a conscience choice. You may not agree with it, and I may not either, but then would you dictate to them from where they must purchase their food?

"Why not buy local and in season?", a lot of people do. We have more and more produce stands every year. Not too many in February though.

"When gas and oil gets high again we will reduce our consumption like we did in 08?" Yes, some will. Yours is a strong argument for re-establishing our domestic oil producing compacity. Then again, why not use everyone else's and have ours here in case we need it? Natural market forces and technical advances will bring new modes of power and transit in the future. Did the government mandate that Mr. Ford start utilizing assembly line techniques, or was that his idea? Did the Wright brothers receive a government grant to create the first airplane? No, they did that all on their own.

You sound like you want someone, and that someone would have to be the government, to tell us what we should eat from where, what we should drive, and how much energy we're allowed to use from an approved source?

Markets will not tolerate unreasonably high prices. Me, you, and everyone else can only afford to pay so much for fuel. Then we are forced to buy less of it. Then the demand drops, supply swells, prices drop. Very simple. It will come to a point where the Saudi's aren't selling their oil because we can't afford it. What do they do? Lower production to keep prices high? They can't, the market won't support it. They can't just set the price they want, no more than your local gas station can. Both because we can't afford it, and because someone else will eventually step in and sell it for less. All natural market forces.

The Founders were smarter than you or I will ever be.


"Those who would give up their liberties for security deserve neither and will have none".

People in New York city gave up their right to own guns, one less liberty. Are they now safer? No. They gave up a Constitutionally guaranteed right for what they thought would be improved security. Did they get either?

Just as you would say we all have to drive smaller cars. One less liberty, one less freedom of choice. Are those cars better? Are they safer? No, and no. You are willing to voluntarally give up your right to choose what vehicle is right for you, and in return you gain nothing, except for less liberty. But then I guess you believe you're saving the planet?


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