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Re: Bringing old bottomland pasture into production


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Posted by paul on November 24, 2010 at 09:32:11 from (76.77.197.242):

In Reply to: Re: Bringing old bottomland pasture into production posted by adam r on November 24, 2010 at 06:46:30:

Depends on your state a lot.

Gonna be heck if there are any trees on it.

If it is grass, have you made hay on it every year? Have you reported that hay as crop acres over the past years? I suggest that you did make hay - a farm crop - on it over the years.....

Be helpful if you can prove it was tiled in the mid 1980's, before 1987 is good, after that is not as good but propblaby ok, after mid 1990's and it could actually be real bad.... I'm not real sure on the cutoff dates, need to look those up.

If you are good on the tiling dates, you need to _tell_ them about the previous tiling, and that you have been farming the land (baling hay). They assume any grass land is wet, not tiled, and not farmed 'here' unless you go over it with them and point out the facts. They survey the land from areal photos, won't see any tile.....

Once they determine it is a wetland & you don't appeal that in a couple weeks/ months, you are stuck even if it is 'previously converted' oh well, so sorry that we goofed, but you have to live with it....

Might pay to talk to a tile survey fella in the area who has delt with this, even if it costs $200 or so of his time, they likely been through it and offer tips for your local county & state on how _they_ do the national laws. Smiling a lot & giving the right answers & 'yes sir' goes a long way to getting good results; they geta lot of gruff upset farmers in their office and then things don't go so well.

You don't want to mention low ground, cattails, or nothin like that yourself, it is previously tiled ground that I been making hay on & is a nice field....

Might wish to wait a year, be sure you are harvesting that hay crop on the land, have it looked at during the dry summer time of the year, point out the tile lines in it that were put in before the no-tile dates.....

You _should_ be able to farm it and have it called previously converted; but have your ducks lined up and don't stumble along the way, the office next to the FSA is the one that will give you grief, their job is to hang on to wetlands if they can. FSA should be a breeze, but don't let them set you up for failure in the next office. You get one chance to breeze through this, they find anything to hang you up and it is your time & money & their deadlines to get it fixed back to what it was supposed to be.

--->Paul


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