Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver
 
Marketplace
Classified Ads
Photo Ads
Tractor Parts
Salvage

Community
Discussion Forums
Project Journals
Your Stories
Events Calendar
Hauling Schedule

Galleries
Tractor Photos
Implement Photos
Vintage Photos
Help Identify
Parts & Pieces
Stuck & Troubled
Vintage Ads
Community Album
Photo Ad Archives

Research & Info
Articles
Tractor Registry
Tip of the Day
Safety Cartoons
Tractor Values
Serial Numbers
Tune-Up Guide
Paint Codes
List Prices
Production Nbrs
Tune-Up Specs
Torque Values
3-Point Specs
Glossary

Miscellaneous
Tractor Games
Just For Kids
Virtual Show
Museum Guide
Memorial Page
Feedback Form

Yesterday's Tractors Facebook Page

  
Tractor Talk Discussion Board

Re: Battery Hook UP ( Ben Donovan)


[ Expand ] [ View Replies ] [ Add a Reply ] [ Return to Forum ]

Posted by Jon Hagen on January 18, 2010 at 20:41:35 from (69.26.23.125):

In Reply to: Re: Battery Hook UP ( Ben Donovan) posted by John T on January 18, 2010 at 09:08:39:

I never had a chance to work on a 24V 2 cyl, but worked on many of the new generation 4 and 6 cyl tractors. It was a cheap way to make a 12V / 24V combination system, but it did not work very well, especially as it aged.

As the starter wore a bit, it's innards got a coating of conductive brush dust, and those internals were electrically hot to chassis ground 24 hours a day.

That would put a constant slow drain on whichever battery that was connected to the starter case terminal next to the engine block.
If the tractor sat unused for a few days, that battery would be partially discharged while the other one was still at full charge.
When you started the tractor, the charging system would immediatly start recharging the low battery with the full one hooked in series with it. This lead to short battery life, as one was constantly having it's fully charged guts boiled to death, while the other one was always low and being ruined by sulphation. Having to replace both batteries every 1-2 years was normal, more often every year.

In our dryland prairie state, where wheat was king, the most cost effective way to a low cost, high capacity wheat harvest was using a pull type, PTO driven combine. With those combines being PTO driven, they had no engine or self contained electrical system, they pulled electrical power from the tractor.

Harvest was when the electrical thing got really ugly for the 24V JD new generation diesel tractors.
The most popular combines of the day were the IH 914 and the JD 6601 windrow machines.
Both needed aprox 15-20 amps at 12V to power the bank of work lights and the big magnetic clutches that started / stopped the feeder and unload systems.
The electrical supply for those combines had to be tied to one battery of the 24V JD.
You could not wire a SPDT switch to to alternate this 12V electrical load from one battery to the other as the harvest day wore on, because the magnetic clutches on the combine had a diode wired across the leads to absorb that big voltage spike generated when you switched off power to that clutch. switching to that other battery with it's opposite ground wiring would cause a dead short across the diode that would instantly blow the fuse. ( atleast you hoped it blew the fuse instead of the diode.)

With the average day of the combine pulling power from that battery all day and several hours into the night with all the lights on, you could be nearly certain of one thing the next morning, the combine had sucked one battery dead and the 4020 would not start. The most common crutch if the tractor / combine had to stay in the field, was to lock the header in the raised position and park the tractor / combine where you could pull start it with another tractor the next day. After a month of this, the one battery was overcharged to death and the other was terminally near dead and sulphated. New batteries were usually required to get the tractor reliable starting for fall tillage work.

When JD finally got over that PITA 24V system and switched to a chassis ground 12V system in 69 ? All those problems went away.

I would estimate that 95% of the pre 69 new generaton diesel's have been converted to 12V and are far better for it. 12V loads are no longer a problem and batteries average a half dozen years life.
About the only 24V tractors left in the area, are the ones used strictly as a loader tractor in winter, and do start a bit better.

The most sucessfull, remove the starter yearly for a cleaning to remove brush dust and /or a rebuild. You need to keep the generator and starter free of brush dust to eliminate the parasitic deain on that one battery, and never ever let that fiber thrust washer at the commutator end of the starter wear out.
If that washer wears too thin, the commutator bars touch the starter end cap and put a dead short on one battery. The moment this washer wears too thin is when the little jumper wire DOES go poof !! Most have a fuse or automatic reset breaker inline to protect that wire. When that wire burns off, you lose headlights, oil light and fuel guage.


Replies:




Add a Reply

:
:
:

:

:

:

:

:

:

Advanced Posting Options

: If you check this box, email will be sent to you whenever someone replies to this message. Your email address must be entered above to receive notification. This notification will be cancelled automatically after 2 weeks.



 
Advanced Posting Tools
  Upload Photo  Select Gallery Photo  Attach Serial # List 
Return to Post 

TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Today's Featured Article - The Day Mom Drove the 8N - by Brian Browning. My Dad was wanting to put in a garden but couldn't operate the 8N and handle the old horse drawn plow he had found and rigged up to use with the tractor. Well, he decided to go get Mom out of the house and have her drive the tractor while he walked behind the plow. You got to understand that while my Mom is a hard worker who will always help whenever she can... she had never operated farm machinery before that day. Dad got her out there, explained how the clutch was the same as in our o ... [Read Article]

Latest Ad: Oliver 550 Diesel runs like a watch three point hitch pto engine gone threw about two hundred hours ago nice clean tractor [More Ads]

Copyright © 1997-2024 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy