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Posted by Interesting point on February 11, 2001 at 22:07:46 from (152.163.194.181):

In Reply to: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Best tractor ever produced before 1960 posted by Chad on February 11, 2001 at 13:41:09:

Interesting points. I must admit that I wasn't thinking of the smaller models when I chose the Oliver 880. If memory serves a Case 400 would be comparable to an Oliver 660, roughly 45hp. And you may very well be right that the Case is a superior tractor in its class; I guess we need to compare apples to apples. But I do disagree about Oliver's brakes. Oliver was one of the first to abandon the old ineffective band brakes in favor of disk brakes, and they work great. They did this in 1952 and they have to be properly adjusted and they'll be really strong. Chances are, you're thinking of the pre-1952 Fleetlines with band brakes that are notoriously weak. Second, I will stand by my assertion that Oliver had the heaviest transmission in the industry at the time. By heavy I mean strong. I don't doubt that the JD 730 had a heavier weighing trasmission and gearcase; it was simply not an efficient design as was the Oliver. Many, many tractor pull hobbyists use the old Oliver rear ends because of their unparalleled strength. Third, I did not make my decision in haste I feel. But I do believe that Oliver had a superior product for several decades of its existence as a corporate entity. And let me make a final point very clear. The fact that John Deere is the only "surviving brand on its own feet", as you state, has absolutely nothing to do with the relative superiority of its products over anyone else's. Deere's fundamental key to its financial success is an outstanding marketing department that makes you believe they can do no wrong; I assure you, they can, and they have. Deere also has made some good management decisions in the past, historically being one to sit back and let everyone else update the product and bring out all the innovation. Once tested and accepted in the market, Deere rushes to copy the innovation as best their feeble engineers can, or they try to buy it. And if you insist on touting sales success as being indicative of a brand's superiority, then consider this. JD is the number three brand of tractor in the world. Massey Ferguson has been number one in the world for over 35 years and counting. So then I guess MF is number one.

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