Re: Age discrimination?

Posted by Billy NY on April 30, 2008 at 10:55:27 from (64.12.117.74):

In Reply to: Age discrimination? posted by dej(jed) on April 30, 2008 at 08:52:03:

I prefer to avoid negativity as much as possible, but it is becoming very apparent that a lot of people live in thankless society the way things are getting, don't know the particulars of your situation, but I can tell you, I've seen this coming for years, and to an extent despise many private sector corporations because of it. Unless you are a member of a union or have some other solid arrangement in regards to your job security, benefits and retirement, it's every man for himself now. People knock unions and there is 2 sides to every story, but one thing I can tell you at least from construction trade unions, they get their money, they hound the companies to pay up or the workers sit, when these guys retire, there is none of this BS. All the crews I ran, the guys worked, were productive and the company profitable, when their time is up, they deserve the best benefits for what they did all those years. I'd still fire someone when necessary, and would take it up with a delegate or business agent if need be, but a person who shows up, is safe and productive has no worry about losing a job unless times are bad in the business, nothing is perfect. Don't need a debate about union vs non union here, so don't bother please.

Private sector, you are on your own to plan your retirement, if you don't start young now, you're in deep sh$T, but then theres the health benefit thing, your retirement has to include providing some decent benefits, you get seriously ill or injured today, might just put the other leg into the grave, you're done.

The younger generation really needs to understand the climate today, these companies want one person to do the job of 3, using minimal resources, they want you on the job long hours, 12 a day, they will chop your benefits to minimal coverage, retirement......... hey what's that??, you have to do it yourself, and for the most part, your relentless dedication to a company is a thankless job, unless.... you are in the upper management/executive circle tighly bound into the nucleus of the top management/executives, you're nothing but an expendable pawn. Stay in one place/company too long, you'll never realize your full salary potential. May not apply to all, but it's something a young person had better realize before dedicating a career to company. Another thing I've noticed is that if you're a family person, and that job is just indispensible, these employers know they've got you, where you going to go, you can't not have a job and have a family to support. If you're not a family person with a busy life, they look at it the other way, what is so important that you have to leave or can't commit to extra responsibility or workload, it all changes after the interview, 6 months to 1 year later your workload has doubled, your santity compromised and the pay the same, may not happen to all, but I've seen it quite a bit.

My mother taught phys. ed. for 40 years, and towards the end, same thing, they could hire 2 people for what she stuck out all those years to earn, and in the end, it was so sour, she and several others of similar longevity refused whatever retirement celebration was offered, the younger administration was so nasty and tried to make all of em quit by effing with them in those last few years, and she was so dedicated that even after having been hit by a car and suffering life long debilitating injuries that should have ended her career, she still went back to the job for 4 more years, debilitated and in pain. Thankless job, after 40 years of putting up with kids, then the last few tough years, if it were not for the NYS teachers union, they'd have done the same thing, and retirement, she's got a NYS tier 1, if that were not the case, health issues would have ruined her alone. She is retired, fixed income 3/4 pay + full benefits, the price 40 years of dedicated service. Today, you don't get sh$t for that same price !

This is no joke, it is every person for themselves, today young people need to understand, you had best build your career on the most solid ground you can find, and build as much as you can off it, if you don't have any protection like a union or other arrangement. No one I know has become financially secure working for private sector companies or small business's as an employee, the only successful ones were those who were able to get into top management positions, trades people in unions, or those who bridged the gap into their own business's, working hard to make it successful to realize a much better profit than the company man gets in a salary today. These are tough facts to grasp, but you let those years go by and don't plan your financial future, you'll be on the street. That social security statment you start getting in your 30's ought to tell you how important this is.

I think in your situation, maybe you can be a thorn in their side, if you did your job in good faith to the company and they rooted you out, why the heck not, but don't dwell on it, move on and get going, time is of the essence, you'll have to adjust and make the best of what you can, no time to lay down that is for sure.

It sounds harsh, maybe there's more to consider, but I think it's high time people realize where they are headed before embarking on lifes journey. Just an opinion, I don't want any debate, if someone disagrees, that's fine with me.

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