Tim B from MA said: (quoted from post at 23:51:16 10/08/07) Marc,
Nice try, but I don't think you'll convince Grizz or that crowd of anything because they already know what's what. After all, back in 1904 their aunt's great grandmother swam in the melt waters of glaciers! in January! in Iceland! LOL
One of Grizz's biggest problems seems to be that scientists and policy makers will admit that there is uncertainty. That just don't sit good. Clearly, if them scientists can't stand up and just declare they know exactly how the world works, then they don't know sh!t from shoe shine.
Most people like the world to be presented to them in black and white. I'm one of them. But after the initial emotional agreement passes, I step back and look at all sides.
Most people don't. Most people are intellectually lazy. That's why we have the likes of Rush Limbaug spewing over the public airwaves, and the likes of George W for president.
Again, nice try. But as I said earlier, the really problem is that most people don't pay attention, and those that do only pay attention long enough to form an opinion based on emotion.
It's worse than "uncertainty," it's that the climate models used in these arguments don't seem to accurately predict much of anything.
Can anyone take these models and plug in known data from say 1990, and get a result for a more current year like 2006, that is even close to what was actually measured?
Better yet, can we take the data we know from the last few years and plug it into the models, then run them backward to an origin of say 1900 and have the result look anything like what was measured?
I've never seen this done. Have you? If so, please provide some links. And it it's not possible, then I'm going to maintain the models are mostly scientific hand jobs and junk science. And I sure won't advocate major world changes because of what these questionable models might mean...
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