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Re: What SUV is averaging 22 MPG in winter?


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Posted by jdemaris on September 13, 2007 at 08:26:23 from (69.67.229.200):

In Reply to: Re: What SUV is averaging 22 MPG in winter? posted by IH2444 on September 13, 2007 at 08:07:49:

I've been driving Loyales for 20 years - but they are getting hard to find that aren't rusted out.
I've got over thirty of them sitting in my field.
Best 4WDs I've ever driven - and will go - and stop - in places none of my full-size trucks or SUVs will.
All my 4WD Loyale wagons can get over 30 MPG highway in summer - as long as they are manual trans. But, the non-OD automatics are awful - as least any I've had. They have 4.33 axle ratios along with a three-speed automtic with no overdrive. I've had half a dozen of the autos and they've all been terrible on gas (for a Subaru, that is). Actually, I still own them - they're sitting in my field. Besides being awful on gas, they are not true 4WD if automatic. The standard trans is conventional gear-drive, in or out, 4WD. But, the autos have a convoluted system that gradually adds oil pressure to a hydraulic clutch that engages 4WD. The more you stomp on the gas, the tighter it engages - which is kind of crazy. Sometimes you want full 4WD at light throttle.

In regard to the new ones being better on gas - don't count on it. Many are worse and don't come close to what the Loyales get - especially the ones with the bigger engines. My daughter has a 2005 Subaru Forester with the 2.5 and 25 MPG is the best highway mileage she's ever gotten.


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