Re: Vigilante farmer, 74, in more trouble than thi

Posted by Billy NY on February 02, 2007 at 07:18:41 from (205.188.117.14):

In Reply to: Vigilante farmer, 74, in more trouble than thief posted by Red Dog Farms on February 02, 2007 at 04:16:49:

Regardless of how the law is written and the intent of said laws, which are supposed to be in place for obvious reasons, something is backwards here when a criminal is confronted on ones property and the person who has the confrontation ends up being charged with a crime.

The criminal element out there today has no conscience, no morals, no values, and no regard for human life, and is many times motivated by drugs or at a whim, due to the need to steal, instead of working like the rest of us.

I can understand, to a degree, why it may not be a good idea to boobytrap, and or do things similar, with the intent to engage a person who may be perpetrating a crime on ones property, and can understand that the laws are in place to protect an innocent person from getting caught in a trap etc., but what rights do you have to protect yourself ? The people that commit crimes today are unpredictable, just the same as that booby trap, and many of these people are violent, so there is no time to distinguish who is going to try and kill you or who is just a non violent petty thief.

As far as I am concerned, anyone and I mean anyone who crosses the threshold of my home, property and or remotely located farm buildings, is considered to be the worst of what is out there and will be dealt with in a manner that puts me in the position of least risk. If one can avoid engaging a criminal discovered on ones property, having the upper hand by detecting them first, so be it, however what if you are suprised or invaded in the middle of the night, then you have no choice, none at all, and you must defend yourself first, or risk what a perpetrator might do to you, and that is a huge unknown and can be from simple assault to murder, how do you know what they will or will not do, do you wait until you end up left on the floor with a fractured skull, shot or whatever may be potentially coming your way, somehow you have to be able to defend yourself and protect yourself from potential injury or death at the hands of a criminal. If you lay down, and submit, you could end up in a casket, or a coma, so you'll never make it to a court room anyway. I am of the firm opinion that one must take appropriate action to protect ones life and limb, if a situation arises the puts you at risk, you must get the upperhand first and deal with any consequences later, be it criminal charges against you. I'd rather submit myself to a court proceeding than to a criminal's actions anyday.

It is obvious that acting as a vigilante is not a preferrable thing to do, nor is engaging a criminal, but I am talking about the situation where you have no choice. It happens, you never know when it could, but it does, I have dealt with being assaulted by a known criminal and did what I had to do, which resulted in the assailant being literally scraped up off the sidewalk with serious injuries, by EMT's, he was fueled up on cocaine, and was one nasty individual, had I not done what I did, I'd have been the one on the stretcher. I was charged with a crime, it cost me $600.00, the charge was dropped in the court proceedings, the assailant had a long criminal record, and had been before the judge many times before. Put me in the same position, getting bum rushed by a criminal in the dark again, and I'd do the same, one has no choice but to protect ones self, this guy was lucky he lived, he had no idea what he was getting into when he decided to make me a target that night, and I had no choice but to defend myself from serious injury, with no time to even think of anything else but self defense.

I lost a good friend who worked at a gas station in NJ, he was practically part owner of a long established business in a great middle class neighborhood, he did quite well working there, it was close to a highway, I used to visit everyday after work, help out sometimes etc., the murderer, came to the station, asked for directions, pulled out a handgun, demanded money, and wasted him at point blank range, shot him in the head in front of witnesses, and the owner of the place, without any hesitation. Joe died instantly, and this criminal caused such grief to his family and friends, this murderer had no regard for human life, but will get his even if he's never caught. So quickly it happens, and the murderer has never been and probably will never be found, so it's a real pleasure knowing this guy is among us, and he's not the only one out there, so with that in mind, anyone who approaches can be a danger, it's the way it is today, you must be educated and prepared as to what to do, or you could be laying in a pool of blood very quickly. There is no time to consider the legal impacts of your actions sometimes, the real problem is being able to quickly recognize a situation like what happened to Joe, and knowing how to deal with it. He was caught by surprise and probably had little chance, and he was a big capable guy, I'll never forget him and what happened that day, just goes to show you what is out there and what does happen in todays society.

I hate to be so cynical and seemingly paranoid etc., but with the reality of how things are today, what choice do you have now, it certainly raises one important issue, and it does appear that the criminal still has more rights than the victim, lots of room for discussion too.

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