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Re: Apology to jddrawbar


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Posted by coonie minnie on December 22, 2022 at 16:22:19 from (65.31.173.114):

In Reply to: Re: Apology to jddrawbar posted by Stuart on December 22, 2022 at 14:57:51:

I can't say I agree. People live longer than ever. And we've changed many variables besides pesticides with food... nuke it in a microwave, hold a cell phone to our head, and countless other things that could- or could not- cause cancer. There are a lot of variables. As for soil, I'll offer the following- in our case, using no-till for 30 years has produced soils that have much more soil life (worms, insects, fungi, bacteria, etc) than what we had 30 years ago. That healthier soil allows me to grow bigger crops with less, yes less, inputs than 30 years ago. It's my observation that the plow is much more detrimental to soil than pesticides currently on the market if used within reason. My father-in-law, organic farmer since the 80's, has seen none of those soil improvements. Indeed, besides his being nice black prairie dirt, it is just that- dirt. It's about the most lifeless stuff one could imagine.

As for cows living longer, well, my family has bred 13 cows that have produced over 300,000 lbs of milk lifetime. One held the world lifetime production record for nearly 10 years, with over 458,000 lb produced. If you think livestock is mistreated, I'd offer that they don't produce if mistreated. And they don't set lifetime records if not taken care of with their best interest in mind. I think you'd struggle to find data that shows organic cows last longer. For certain, they don't produce more.

Last, I'd argue that organic to producers is about profit. If it wasn't, they wouldn't charge more than anyone else, expect more market clout, or talk down about other systems with their marketing. If it was for the common good, it wouldn't cost 2x what everything else does.


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