Posted by oldtanker on January 07, 2019 at 10:39:51 from (66.228.255.59):
In Reply to: USS Pollack 1/7/1942 posted by Ultradog MN on January 07, 2019 at 01:51:13:
Good topic!
Had the torpedoes worked like they were supposed to at the beginning of the war the effect would have been even better.
Right after Pearl Harbor Japan seized the Dutch East Indies for the oil there. It's one of the big reasons the Japanese went after the invasion fleet off the Philippians with everything they had. Oil was already in short supply because of the subs. Land based aircraft on the Philippians would have just about cut all oil off.
And yes, tonnage wise the Germans did about as well against us as we did against the Japanese. But there are several things that made the difference between winning and losing the tonnage war.
1: The Germans deployed 1170 Uboats in WWII, the US had less than 500 total all oceans and 288 in the Pacific.
2: The sub war in the Atlantic was won long before massive sub sinkings occurred. It was won when Liberty Ship production exceeded losses. Japan never had the ability to replace losses. We did. The Uboat war in the Atlantic was really won in the ship yards.
3: Anti sub warfare was much different too. We lost 52 subs in WWII. The Germans lost 784.
Japan in fact was the England of the Pacific. By that I mean an island nation that had to import almost everything. Iron ore, oil and food were the big 3 for both countries. England had us at least willing to sell them stuff to keep them going. Japan had nothing. They had to try to take everything. Their only friendly nations were Germany and Italy. Not a lot of help.
IN 1941 the US had 7 Aircraft Carriers and in 1945 the US had 27 Aircraft carries. Add in the 12 that were lost and the 71 "jeep" carriers (small ones) or which there was only one in 1941.
WE also built 2710 Liberty ships in 4 years plus 481 tankers, 32 Fleet Carriers, 70 jeep carriers. The US Navy was operating 6,768 ships or all types when Japan surrendered.
When the Germans were building 12,000 aircraft a year we were doing that in one month. Neither Germany nor Japan had the industrial ability to keep up wit losses much less with our buildup.
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