Re: After IH....

Posted by oldtanker on January 11, 2017 at 06:59:33 from (66.228.255.59):

In Reply to: After IH.... posted by Bill VA on January 10, 2017 at 17:23:52:

This thread is funny. All the Case guys knocking IH. Saying "when Case bought IH". To set the story straight: In the 70's, long before the IH Case merger Tenneco bought controlling interest in Case. Then in the 80's Tenneco bought IH as it was failing and merged the 2 companies! So in reality they both should have been rebadged "Tenneco". Case DID NOT buy IH.

OK, I was in the Army at the time and therefor wasn't here all the time. When there were changes in equipment buying habits to me from my eyes it wasn't gradual. So I did notice changes. When in the mid 70's we got a good JD dealers in the area I noticed right away the next time I was home (2 years) a heck of a lot of new green equipment was here too. I was in Germany from 83 to 87. So a lot changed then. When I got home the small, very small Case dealers was gone. One IH dealer was gone too. Biggest one in the area. That area ranging 35 miles in any direction. JD dealer in 2 location was gone too. Lot of the small farms were gone and a heck of a lot of the ground was in CRP. Didn't see much in the way of new equipment anywhere in the local area in 87. By 91 when I went back to Germany after Desert Storm there was a few CASEIH tractors around but not many.

Now I have a fair amount of seat time in a 70 series Case. For several years I did a lot of the field work for a friend with 2 970's. OK tractor but my friend told me (big case nut) about how the engines on both had been rebuilt and MODIFIED to give them a decent life. IIRC something to do with the sleeves to keep them in place. I also have seat time on an IH 706/56, 806/26, 1066/86, 1206, 1566/86, AC190XT series III and 8070 and a few JD's and a CASEIH 2394. First place the doors never bothered me and still don't. The big thing I don't like about the IH tractors was the gearshift location and hydraulic controls on all of the 06 and newer IH tractors. The Case tractors were OK IMO but just that, OK. I really didn't care for the Power Director on the AC 190 and the 8070 cab was so small I felt like I was putting the tractor on instead of getting into it. The 20 series JD was OK. The sound guard cabs on the next generation was very nice for it's day. The 2394 was again OK but the power shift isn't much to brag about unless you like whiplash. Now I know that people will jump all over this making accusations because I didn't praise their favorite tractor. I gave a fair and honest opinion based on my experience pointing out what IMO could have been better. But back to the OP's question.

No, you didn't see a lot of people in my area jumping ship, mostly because most were older farmers at the time of the MERGER and the markets and economy saw them toss in the towel and retire. The next time I was home the few guys that were left were expanding by 93. Started seeing a lot of older bigger tractors around. Pre 83 you seldom saw anything over 100HP and by 93 there were a lot of 14 and 15 series IH's, a few 1370 Case's and few of the bigger JD's. From 83 to 87 (in Germany and did not take leave in the states) Fergus Falls MN went from having a small AC dealer, small Case, big IH and big JD dealer to having a Mid sized AC/Ford dealer, big JD and CaseIH. Alexandria MN went from having a big IH and medium Ford/AC/White dealer to having the Ford/AGCO dealer. Wadena MN went from having a JD dealer to no new tractor dealers. Here at least the MERGER didn't have much effect. That in part was the dealers too. The JD dealer in Fergus had made it pretty plain to the smaller dairies in our area that they preferred selling big stuff to the big guys in the Red River valley area. The IH dealer that became CaseIH remained the one who catered to the smaller farmers. That didn't change and continued like that until the late 90's. Here, until the merger farmers said AC stood for "another cheap tractor" and Case "couldn't afford something else". Most farmers in the area prior to 83 were running older equipment.

Rick

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