Posted by Spook on November 22, 2014 at 08:44:18 from (99.103.114.133):
In Reply to: diesel price WOW posted by LAA on November 22, 2014 at 06:47:50:
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Steel mills went bankrupt because foreign competition, auto plants closed mostly because of the same problems. When the big companies could source labor overseas for pennies on a dollar, nobody could compete. A plant manager I worked for remarked that everybody in building could work for free, and we still couldn't compete on cost. Michigan has had waves of layoffs, dating back to the 70's, and each time a lot of folks left the state. I've got relatives on the west coast, in the oil patch in ND, and in Texas. All left home to find work. Only one was in a union, he is in the operating engineer's union, running a big crane or something. A lot of supplier plants moved to Mexico or asia, and they were almost all non union, always had been. I moved from Chrysler to GM, after the Chrysler plant I worked in closed down. I didn't have 5 years in, so my pension is only from GM. Once in GM, I had 3 plants close around me, and retired when the last one closed, as there really was no place to go to.
As far as layoff bennies, the government provided TRA money, which had to be repaid when you went back to work. Not many qualified for that, as you had to be able to prove that your job was directly lost to foreign competition. Most guys I know that got that went to truck driving school.
Remember, most folks are non union, and for every union job lost to foreign labor, maybe 10 non union folks lose theirs. You only hear about the union guys because they fight back. Usually losing....
I never had a choice in a layoff or plant closing, or a trade treaty that traded my job for some Wall Street gain. We got sold out by our own management. I spent 5 years as a engineer and supervisor on salary, non union. So I saw a little of each side.
Have a good day, and good luck, I hope you and yours weather the storms to come successfully.
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