Re: How about this for a Zoning Issue!!!!!

Posted by AG in IN on November 15, 2014 at 17:41:19 from (67.236.126.244):

In Reply to: How about this for a Zoning Issue!!!!! posted by Broke Plowboy on November 13, 2014 at 19:09:43:

"Oh but that's right, you don't live in MN so it really does not pertain to you right???" Why is it a concern to you where I, or anyone else is located? If we're both in the USA, we're both in the same sinking boat that regulations knocked a hole in the bottom of. You opened this door. You posted this here. Rules, reg's., and laws tend to have a "trickle-down effect" and what issues you face may be heading this way soon, and ours may be heading your way. What the feds are working on will be inflicted upon us all. I'm deeply concerned by your situation, and the conclusion of it, even though we don't have any rock issue like you face, even though we have very little township control of anything anymore, and even though this isn't MN.

"However you don't really chastise the township as much as you chastise me..." Their side of all of this isn't presented here. Your side is. It sure wouldn't surprise me if some or all of your local gov't. is crooked. Power can corrupt and expose character flaws. Our twp. had a trustee that got caught using a government credit card at a gambling establishment and the town board fired the head of the library just because they wanted a puppet to run the place. I'm still thrilled I don't live in Chicago, where "Who you know" (Got powerful friends?), "How far will you go"(To do favors for people in power?), or "How much dough can you show?" (Greenbacks in an envelope or campaign contributions) are far to common when dealing with the government.

"...you blame me for the paybacks that you get as farmers because I stood up for my rights????? That pretty much says it all!" No, I'm just going to give you an idea of what may follow, whether you win or loose. If you think this is over, even if you win in a Supreme Court decision, it very well may not be. I blame you personally for nothing, and I certainly don't blame you for standing up for what you perceive to be "your rights". If you loose this, the ramifications could be damaging to everyone and anyone in agriculture, or may effect only you. If you win, the ramifications could be beneficial to everyone and anyone in agriculture, or effect only you. Unseen side effects to any outcome are possible.

Our system is terribly flawed, especially with the power that flows to the alphabet agencies. Be thrilled you are not dealing with one of them in this matter. When a rule, reg., or law is found to be wrong or illegal, or those in power believe more restrictions are necessary, generally those in power try to tweak things to make it pass legal hurdles. We have a "right to bear arms", right? Should be no questions asked, everyone should have access to anything, as there are no restrictions listed in the Constitution or Bill of Rights, right? Seems an awful lot of restrictions have been applied at various levels of government to our rights and guarantees in the Constitution and Bill of rights in the last couple of hundred years. Your version of "common sense", mine, and others may vary.

"...just go check any of your ordinances because this one is used as a cookie cutter, one size fits all." It's amazing to me that from what I'm reading, that you feel you are the only one burdened by regulations. We have a couple of "one size fits all" regulations we have to follow to keep permitting to keep operating the farm. "Common sense" doesn't apply. They want everyone who is permitted to do everything the exact same way. Very little imput from farmers was taken during the rulemaking process. We were trying to fight the monster instead of sitting down and having dinner with it. There's a rulebook that changes and is added to, and you either follow it or you don't. If you don't and you get caught, you're in trouble. It's an unneeded headache to try and maintain these permits and the inspector brags every visit that the number of permittted locations keeps getting lower. People are getting out, and nobody is replacing them. The number of permitted locations has dropped so much they now inspect more often and permitting comes up for review more often. They are out to get you, out to find a problem, and you are guilty of anything and everything until you prove your innocence. Seems backward, doesn't it? Strange thing is we have done nothing diffferent as far as operating procedures and everyday activities other than piles of paperwork since getting the permitting and paying fees for the permits. When the state decided we all needed to be permitted, our plans weren't sufficient, but the exact same plans submitted with the aid of "professionals" in the matter were more than sufficient.

I would still, in most instances, rather deal with a local government entity that is elected by and answers to people in the area rather than a state or federal alphabet agency that really doesn't have to answer the public at all. Again, you either have been away from farming, not paying attention, or your state and local area are run very differently than mine is. Overregulation of agricultural activities by various levels of government and various agencies has been going on for decades, and the feds are seriously trying to get in on the action.

"Now none of you know this, but I am not your average rancher. I hold two degrees and one is in law, I was a former investigator for the state, and I teach mining law." There is more I could pull from your posts and add to this. Justice and fairness is supposed to be blind. We're all equal, whether you're an average rancher, something you perceive to be below that, or whatever you think you are that puts you above that. Maybe you mean nothing by your statements or I am misinterpreting them, but I read them to be that you think you're a cut above some people some how. If this isn't true, you have my apologies.

AG

This post was edited by AG in IN at 22:13:00 11/15/14 2 times.

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