mab570diesel said: (quoted from post at 11:57:35 11/05/14) I think you misinterpreted what i am saying.I'm not saying force anything as I said competition is GOOD what I am saying is buying so much foreign crap is what got us here along with gutting a lot of blue collar jobs and we need to reduce that.we need more jobs in turn more people working lowers the tax burden on everyone thus boosting the economy,thus lowering the price of goods eventually.I know there is jobs they say they have a need to fill but not everyone can be a rocket scientist.We need to have decent paying jobs for the average joe,not minimum wage which is a joke.look at the steel industry for ex. lots of good paying jobs basically gone, now we ship our scrap metals to china,that needs to stop. And anyways we're talking about new cars here?you telling me you can afford a new honda but NOT a new chevy?Come on now.
No, I got the message alright. You want to use taxes and tariffs to make imports less affordable than domestic items. So you want to force people to not have the choice of buying anything other than domestic products in the mistaken belief that this will somehow create a bustling economy. The problem is that it won't work. It's never worked in the long run and it only allows competition among US producers. It wouldn't work now because you have a dollar that is falling in value every day through engineered devaluation. The only way to actual wealth is through taking a raw material and increasing it's value. That's how we rebuild the dollar. That and shrinking the number of dollars out there, but that brings another set of problems with it. But the US doesn't want heavy industry anymore. They don't want logging and mining. They don't really feel too warm and fuzzy about farming or fishing. The way we create real wealth is by taking a resource (iron, steel, aluminum, oil) turning it into a salable product at the least cost possible and then selling it throughout the world. Use any other item you want, it works the same way. You don't create wealth by trading money inside one nation, that's just recirculating the same money back and forth. You create wealth through international trading. You used Brazil as an example and yet you ignored the fact it was foreign investment that built Brazils auto industry, that it was Brazils favorable tax climate and low wages, along with their much laxer regulations as far as OSHA and EPA type issues, that made all those auto makers move plants into Brazil. BTW, the tariff in import autos in Brazil appears to be 55%, not 110%. Yes, there is a large market for cars in Brazil, but that's not because of a tariff, it's because they have a new middle class that didn't exist before. It has nothing to do with tariffs.
As far as your claim that, "... if jeans were 50 a pair(some are more than that now btw lol)people could afford them because lots more folks would be working thus lowering the cost of things,not raising them,more people paying taxes means less of a burden on each person.", you just aren't making the case. If all it took was raising the price of jeans to $50.00 or $100.00 to make the economy balloon, then it would have been done. Look, it's the same argument as raising the min wage. Proponents always claim that it will boost the economy. It doesn't, it tends to hurt the economy for a period, but that's besides the point. The point is if raising the min wage to, say, $15.00 an hour is good, then why not raise it to $20 or $35.00 an hour? Because there isn't a way to afford it and stay in business, that's why. Same with the idea of raising prices- it doesn't automatically equal more jobs, more tax payers, more anything. Over 50% if tax payers now pay no effective Federal Income Tax! In most cases they get a refund equal to far more than they paid in. Raise the min wage and the min wage earners are still going to be at the bottom and get the same treatment. That's why it doesn't automatically work. It would be great if it did, but the reality is, no, it doesn't work like that. Increased tariffs and taxation cannot create an improved economy without increased trade.
As far as the "junk Toyotas and Kubotas", again, you blew it. Why did Toyota and Honda get such a large market share back in the 70's and 80's? Quality and choice. They offered people something the Big 3 wouldn't offer, at a better price and they consistently improved their quality till it surpassed Detroit by a wide margin. Toyota and Kubota are anything but junk. Junk was what was rolling out of Detroit in the mid to late 70's and 80's. I owned and worked on American iron in those days. It was pretty rare to get 100K trouble free miles on a Ford, Chev or Dodge, but I put over 300K on 2 Toyota pickups with no major issues. I can tell you horror stories about a brand new Jeep Cherokee that puked the transfer case in my driveway with less than 1K miles on it. The Chevy Beretta that ate crankshaft sensors like Rosie O'D eats donuts, or the Diplomats that lost tranny after tranny after tranny only to then have the paint peel off the hood in strips.
I'm sorry, but you've misread the whole shebang. Get some reading done on basic economics and start there.
This post was edited by Bret4207 at 17:31:12 11/05/14 3 times.
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