Posted by oldtanker on April 15, 2014 at 21:08:41 from (66.228.255.116):
In Reply to: Union Workers posted by Edd in KY on April 15, 2014 at 19:14:12:
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Most of those jobs that moved overseas didn't go because of unions. They went because of the consumer. After the Carter Reagan recession people were tire of doing without. So they demanded cheap products. With US wages plus having to meet OSHA and EPA regs the only way to keep the consumer happy was to move those jobs out of the US. In other words, some of the workers did it to themselves.
I know the iron miners union messed them out of a bunch of jobs. When it got cheaper to import steel from Japan in the 70's and 80's than to buy steel made here they were done. And by and large it was the steel workers and iron miners who drove that price up so high. Now it didn't help that the steel mills had not really made any improvements sense WWII which could have made production cheaper. But add it all together and you have a bunch of high paying jobs that are gone.
I know CaseIH in Fargo starts people with no education past high school at a pretty good wage. Sometimes doing something simple like counting welds or putting a couple of bolts in. That's because of the union. But how much does that add to the cost of a tractor? I know on cars that before the melt down that between union wages and retirees pay and bennies that about 67% of the cost of a car was just for that. That was with 37% spent on current employees. When the car companies signed the retirement bennies in the average worker die within 5-7 years. Now they are living much longer than that.
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