Posted by Paul on March 04, 2014 at 13:50:58 from (66.60.223.232):
In Reply to: Re: fracking pros cons posted by Tom Schnitzler on March 04, 2014 at 11:12:59:
Folks are about 85% anti ethanol any more. We have certainly seen that here on this forum....
When they realize soybean oil is in diesel fuel, they will be against that as well.
Big windmills sure change a landscape in big wind farms, and the Kenedy's killed off efforts to place them off shore. My county banished them from the edge of the river valley - you know where the wind actually blows.
Small private windmills - saw one north of me, was laying over after an ice storm. 5 years later I see a new one, in 20 mph winds it was word to the pole not spinning. A second pole up, nothing on it.
About 10 miles east of me are 6 poles up, only 2 have windmills on them. The place filed bankruptcy, he took the farmers money, was driving $100,000 sports cars around in the Cities. Of the two windmills actually placed, only ever see one turning.
Govt pays 1/3 of the cost of thrm.
Seems like it is always a money game, not an actual energy game.
That's too bad.
Turning biomass into ethanol sounds good, but so far it has not really worked well. What they are trying to do now is turn a little bit of the biomass (cornstalks, switch grass) into ethanol, dry it down, and burn the stuff to cook corn ethanol. This makes it meet some of the govt mandates to keep the money flowing. I hope they work things out and biomass actually ends up working, but so far - its kind of a bust.....
Don't get me wrong, I am for these renewable deals.
Of thrm all, seems only the corn ethanol and the soybean diesel fuel is actually working out for small, but positive returns.
I sure don't see us relying on them to the point we can shut off our oil wells and coal mines.
What is sad is the fracking areas seem to be burning off most of the natural gas they cogenerate. It s a waste product they just burn to get rid of. We don't have the pipelines to be able to collect it, and it appears we are in an anti-pipeline mood from the govt these days.
Heck, I wouldn't be happy to have a pipeline in my back yard either. I understand that.
They killed off a big electric transmission line here in Minnesota a few years ago, so really can't expand the windmill farms either. No place to put the electricity, the power lines are full when the wind blows, empty when it doesn't, no way to store the stuff.
So, wat is the answer? I donno.
Alternatives seem to be hit and miss, the couple that are working everyone opposes now, the rest have filled their nitche and no where to go.
Don't see where we can just shut off the natural gas, oil, and coal and think we will be fine, we are many decades from that?
Good questions, good discussion, I don't want the skull and cross bones either, but we do need a balance, otherwise what do we do? Its easy to just be opposed to everything; but then what do we actually do? No windmills on the ocean, no ethanol or bio diesel, no more power lines, no more pipelines allowed.....
I see a lot of negatives, no one has solutions. Are we only allowed to have fuel shortages and rolling blackouts, I don't see any answers coming?
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