Re: Slow moving tractors and horses warning sign

Posted by Rich_WI on October 29, 2013 at 19:21:21 from (50.50.82.205):

In Reply to: Slow moving tractors and horses warning sign posted by Bret4207 on October 29, 2013 at 04:26:58:

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Well compairing apples to oranges you would be correct but when thinking critically about it, no, you are not correct. For example, the 80K trucks dont ever come down the rural roads that the Amish run so how can you compair them? Simple, you cant. But if you look at the better built roads that the trucks run vs. the township roads, you can easily see the heavier damage from the horses and buggies. Fair compairison? Not really because everybody knows the main roads are built heavier but would there still be damage from the horses if they did run them? Of course there would and we know that because we see it where the horses cross the main roads, the damage goes through the intersections. But like I said, not a fair compairison because if you flipped the use, the rural road would get messed up from the heavy truck more than the horse wrecking the main road. The difference is, the truck paid taxes that pays for the roads....

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I admit I dont get out much, I only put 20,000 miles a year on my work truck and 5,000-10,000 miles on my motorcycles. Call me a homebody if you must but I have to say, I have never, EVER seen anything like you discribe. I have seen the blacktop damaged on the edge of the road when a tractor (normal tractor, not even a huge articulated one) drove on the edge of the road before the shoulder was put in or from turning off the road into a field. The road damaged on the edge is very rare and from a farmer driveing on it before the road was done, thats his fault. As for going into a field, that damage is expected and now the county puts in approaches to prevent it. Crushed culverts? Puhleese, never seen one. So with that in mind, we can simply set aside your assertions.

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Oh yes they do. If they dont, they county sends a crew out and does it and sends a bill. The sheriff warns them first though, its not like the county has a crew sitting at the shop waiting for a call so they can boost revenue, they really dont want to do it at all but some times they have to. I learned that lesson way back in high school when some friends were mud bogging after school every day and we got a little visit from Barny Fife and he made sure we knew exactally where the bear does his buisness in the woods. As for the liquid manure, if farmer ever has 4 inches of slop on the road, he has bigger things to worry about than paying for the bobcat time, he is gonna be getting a visit from the alphabet people and they will be sampling ditches and water runoff. He wont have to worry long though, he will be out of business soon. Well, at least without an insurance carrier after that massive payout.

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While I not big on making laws just to make them, in fact Im heavily against it but in this case, if its felt that its fair for everybody that if the Amish starting kicking in a fair share for the roads they use and abuse, I wouldnt have a huge problem with making farmers doing the same thing for tractors and impliments. The only small problem is, farmers have case history of being allowed to use the roads for farming needs, just using the roads for travel has always been a "pay to play" deal. Like I said though, if the farmers have to kick in to make things fair because the Amish start paying, Im OK with that.

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Oh, this is my favorite, the old "taxes ala-carte" arguement. Count me in! I would love, Love, LOVEEEEE to only pay taxes on the services that I use. No arguement from me, of course thats not what we are talking about (or were). We are talking about the taxes that Amish dont pay, that was the question on the table and I clearly stated it (if I do say so myself).

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I dont disagree with that, no different than the English.

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Again, I agree.

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And there you go, off the deep end....

Everybody knows you are an Amish apologist but you dont have to make it sound like the Amish do nothing wrong and harm nobody because its just not true. You also dont have to make it sould like the English are the only ones that hurt others, because it also is just not true. We dont need to get into all the crimes and ethics issues that the Amish not only let happen but seemingly approve of, do we?

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Ironic you say that given the context of your post....

Replies:

• Re: Slow moving tractors and horses warning sign Bret4207 10:35:51 10/30/13 (1)
  • Re: Slow moving tractors and horses warning sign Rich_WI 19:52:43 10/30/13 (0)

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