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Re: Funny thought on the ethanol battle/post.


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Posted by oldtanker on September 16, 2013 at 21:30:08 from (66.228.255.116):

In Reply to: Funny thought on the ethanol battle/post. posted by Ronald Anderson on September 08, 2013 at 20:05:22:

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Ronald, what he quoted was that they take 1 metric ton (2200 pounds) of corn, make ethanol and the leftover that is saleable as feed is 689 pounds. So you start out with 2200 pounds of feed and wind up 689 pounds. That's a loss 1511 pounds of feed. Or a little more that 2/3rds of the original feed value. The actual numbers don't lye. Just because you put corn in and get feed back doesn't mean it's the same amount. Doesn't mean you can't feed the leavings. It means that somewhere in there is a loss. That stands to reason as you are getting another product out of it too.

I know you corn guys will defend this as long as prices are up. But usable energy is counted in BTU's. Gasoline with out ethanol produces 1/3 more energy than straight ethanol. That's why diesels are more fuel efficient per same size engines is because diesel produces more BTU's per gallon. No speculation, just plain hard numbers. You guys that claim that 100% gas doesn't increase your mileage? Just how many tanks of 100% gas did you check? Most computer controlled cars have to have several tanks run through them when changing gas types or octane ratings to allow the computer to catch up. I had 3 vehicles in a row with the MPI injected 302. All 3 called for regular. All 3 would get about 5-6 MPG better on mid grade but premium would only get about 1/2 MPG over mid grade. Again hard numbers, 2 cars got about 25 MPG on mid grade. That was a 25% increase over 20 on regular. So that means that it was cheaper to pay more at the pump for the mid grade in the long run. My current vehicle gets about 2/3rds of a mile better on mid grade so it's cheaper to run regular.

The big thing here is that ethanol isn't sustainable. look at what land rent is in some areas. Look at the prices for land. 12K-13K per acre purchase price or paying 500 bucks an acre rent isn't going to pencil out at 4 buck a bushel corn. Anyone who borrowed to buy land at that price could have a few problems in their future. As JD mentioned you have to rotate crops. In a year or 2 all this corn ground is going to have to be rotated. Then what? Plus look at the estimates for corn this year. What's corn going to be worth in Jan or Feb 2014? That's what happens when that old greed monster appears. Everyone and their brothers that had an extra square foot planted corn this spring. I don't know. Harvest will tell the tale. But if current projections are accurate we could see 3 dollar corn again. If you are not diversified you are taking the "farming is gambling" thing to a whole new level.

Rick


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