For years Red Clover with abit of timothy was all we had for hay for the cows and it was spring seeded over the top in fall sown wheat and the next year you made the hay, you might get a crop of stubble hay the year it was seeded but you may not, for the third year it had died out not enough left to make a crop. And I have never heard of red clover being put on in the fall. As for the notilling that has come about after we quit hay. But all the notill fields I see being put out now you can see are so rough no mater if it is hay, wheat, oats or beans I would not want to be the one driving a tractor over the fields but I also would not want to be using a 100 HP tractor on a hay rake either, 20 to 30 HP is plenty for that job but the rough fields I see you could not stay on the seat on them as you do not have the big enough tires to smoth out the rough spots. Last few years hay was alfalfa spring seeded either over the top in wheet, most common or at the same time as the oats were sown for grain in the spring. No mater the crop we always pulled a cultipacker behind the drill with a spike tooth harrow behind that and always had smooth fields. Never tried fall seding alfalfa but it seams to work here in Ohio either way but August is seeding month, september too late.
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