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Re: Concealed Carry Permit and buying a new gun... Thoughts?


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Posted by Hal/Eastern WA on January 03, 2013 at 13:56:20 from (97.115.184.159):

In Reply to: Concealed Carry Permit and buying a new gun... Thoughts? posted by JohnDeereJimOhio on January 03, 2013 at 11:36:17:

If the gun is in your truck, the only time it would maybe help you is if a crime happens in or right by your truck. Lots of vehicles get prowled and things are taken. I think leaving a gun in a vehicle is a mistake unless it is incredibly well hidden or is in a very strong locking enclosure.

If I was going to buy a pistol to carry concealed, I would be looking at the small frame, but large caliber pistols. To carry it concealed should mean that no one would ever know you had it on your person until you draw it to respond to a threat. I would choose a quality firearm that would not be dangerous to carry a round in the chamber and one that will operate double action, so you don"t have to move the slide before it will operate. I would not choose a .22 or .380, because I would be concerned with their knock-down ability, but would want a .38 police special round or 9mm as a minimum. A 10mm, .40cal or even .45 would be better.

I guess I have serious reservations about having teachers carry pistols while they are working. It might be OK for some teachers, but some of the teachers I had, in my opinion, would only add to the potential danger. What if a student takes the gun away from the teacher? Which could fairly easily happen, especially in middle schools and high schools where some of the students are larger than the teachers. That could CREATE the situation that might lead to lots of bloodshed.

I also do not think it would be good for, at least some, students to have them know that their teacher is packing a weapon. Especially if they could SEE the gun, I think that might really upset some children.

Having done some teaching and having had jobs that required me to carry a pistol, I wonder how a teacher could do their job effectively and conceal a pistol. When I was an investigator, we wore sport coats most of the time, partly to conceal our holstered weapons, either with a belt or shoulder holster. I knew of very few teachers who wanted to wear a sport coat all the time. Later we tried using "fanny pack" holsters, which concealed our pistols, but did almost nothing to hide the fact that we were carrying a gun. Some guys tried ankle holsters and even extra pockets sewn into their pants, but unless the pistol was really small, they were still quite apparent.

Half of any advantage of having armed teachers would be their ability to retaliate to a threat by surprise. If everyone knew that the teacher was armed, there would be no surprise.

I think that having armed and trained guards in schools is probably a better idea than arming teachers. Maybe they should be actual commissioned police officers, who also do other things for their assigned school.

And obviously schools need to figure out how to and spend the money to make their buildings more secure, so if a bad guy tries to get in, he has a real rough time achieving entry, and if it does get in, it should be possible to lock down classroom doors and maybe fire doors to keep the bad guy in a specific, controlled area.

Can we prevent a similar tragedy? Probably not, as there will always be evil or insane persons in the population. I think the news media could make some changes in how they report incidents and the shooters should get little or no publicity.

Some people blame the availability of guns and call for gun control. No matter what happens with laws, this country already has many many millions of firearms out there. If they disarm the law-abiding public, then only the crooks, who don"t pay much attention to laws anyway, will have the guns. My guess is that there would be a whole lot of people who would become law breakers if guns became illegal. A person should have the RIGHT to defend himself effectively.

I wish I had all the answers!


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