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Re: 2-4D and Heavy downpour like inches of rain


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Posted by paul on May 31, 2012 at 11:08:19 from (76.77.197.57):

In Reply to: Re: 2-4D and Heavy downpour like inches of rain posted by Billy NY on May 30, 2012 at 15:24:50:

I think 2 different conversations are going on, and you're not quite understanding each other?

You own a portion of the pond, the neighbor owns a portion of the pond, and the govt controls the pond.

That sort of arrangement causes a lot of friction, as different people want different things.

You see a nice pond, and wobnderful, and if it gets bigger so much the better, it must remain clear and improve.

The farmer might see what was once a small marsh, waste land, and now it's getting bigger, and causing nothing but problems. Woulda been better to drain it away when it was small, than to let it grow into the mess it is now.

The govt like to create job security and ties everyone's hands with paperwork and nonesense.

In the end everyone wants a cvlean world, a nice looking one, but they have different versions of whatis nice & clean. Me, I'd see a corn field as a bueatiful thing, the ugly stuff is the big buildings in the distance, the roadbed wall.

Corn looks great!

Pond looks ok, but seems like a necessary hazard....

It's all in who is looking, who decides what is pretty, what is wrong.....

Those of us farmers that have tried to deal with water issues have many stories to tell of how wrong the govt & neighbors with ponds have treated them....

You are probably getting a spill-over of that.

Since you do not own the whole pond, you don't get to control the whole pond. Some of your comments wre a little bit 'it's all mine' when that perhaps isn't ttrue, and you are hitting a nerve there.

It apears the farmer did pretty good, didn't pioison your portion of the pond, and all is well. But - trying to be nice, still - you were pretty close to being one of those 5-acre fellows who just runs around talking bad about the neighboring farmers but knows nothing about farming.....

I said close, didn't say you were. :)

That brings up a lot of bad memories for many of us farmers. :)

I'm glad you got answers from the neighbor farmer, and seem satisfied with the results. You do have some good concerns, farmers need to follow the rules just like anyone else.

The city down the road a ways, their sewer pipe under the river broke during a flood, was going to be 90 days or more the pipe would feed sewer water of 10,000 directly into the river. That was determnined to be no problem, just happenstance,noneed for anyone to look over here....

Around the same time, a dairy farmer in the same county had his lagoon fill up with rain water, so was 40% manure, 60% rainwater. His permit only allowed injecting the manure, but it was far too wet to do anything in the fields for weeks (just as it was far too wet to work on the flood-damaged sewer pipe...). The county & state did not allow him to set up a sprinkler syatem to emergency surface apply some watery manure from his lagoon. In a couple weeks the lagoon breached, manure spilled out - what else would happen?

The county sent himn a fine for $100,000 for the 'spill'.

Took a long time in court, and lots of lawyer money, to have the judge look that over & say it was the county's fault for not letting him have any options at all.

Who gets treated better by those govt officials? This in one example.

I have a fuield that is tiled, but poorly. The county says I can't do anything to improve the piece, because they looked it over in the 1980's and it's a wetland. However, it's been tiled since 1950's, and it's been farmed for cropland more years than not. no matter, the govt office doesn't know their is any tile there, ythey are unwilling to look at the property first hand, and detrermined, from their desk, that it's a wetland and that's that.

The same county charges taxes on that prroperty as class A crop land, because it's improved and has been cropped sometimes.

Fair? Farmers getting any breaks????

You're just hearing about our side of things is all. :)

--->Paul

--->Paul


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