Posted by Rich_WI on November 02, 2011 at 22:08:00 from (50.50.123.216):
In Reply to: Wisconsin posters. posted by nickg on November 02, 2011 at 13:12:04:
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Tim, thanks for the long responce, allow me to clearify a few things. First off, you did indicate that classes now dont adequately teach safe firearm handling (pistols inclusive). Here, let me quote you. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see
That to me quite clearly indicates that you feel the hunter safety classes will result in students passing the class that cant/dont meet the requirements of the law. Of course we will have to ignore that the law was written to specifically state that a WI hunters safety class did meet the requirements but thats a different discussion. Clearly, at least the way I read your statements, that kids or adults comming out of the classes dont have the skills to adequately handle a firearm proficiently (long guns and pistols combined) and thats the whole reason that the training requirement was put in the bill as per Senator Galloway. Thats disturbing to me, on many levels. I agree with Lou from Wi. that safety, be it long gun only or all guns to include pistols is the same safety skill set and mind set. When a person is taught to not point a gun at someone, I was never taught to exclude pistols from that rule. Same with the rule to never put your finger on the trigger, they never said it was OK if its a pistol.
On the other side of the coin, you state that long guns are covered in hunters safety, excluding pistols for the most part. I understand that but in both of the classes I took, we were never taught everything there is to know about long guns, far from it. In fact, we were never taught even the simplist rule that when using target guns to be careful when removing a live round as it may leave the bullet in the barrel while pulling the brass. Thats a very common error but was never taught in my classes or any other one I heard of. Thats just one example but shows how big the world of guns are. I dont point that out to say the classes are lacking, its to point out how I dont believe the classes are ment to teach everything, they clearly are not. Thats why I believe like Lou that safe gun handling is a general skill, not ment to be only taught to a specific type of gun.
I have seen the results of both of my hunters safety classes, from friends from school in my first one to relatives in my second one. I noticed a marked difference in the maturity of the junior high kids in my first class. After the class, they just didnt treat guns as toys before and had much better muzzle control after the class. With the adult class, they became much better at muzzle control and where that bullet will go. The bottom line, I would trust any of my fellow students with a pistol and CCWing after the class and I think we were taught very well. Just because we werent taught pistol specific gun safety, I believe it carrys over.
Last, you are not the first or only hunter safety instructer in WI that is vocal about weather or not hunters safety classes should be allowed for CCW in WI (and again, we need to ignore that the law was specifically written to state that it was). That leaves the only logical conclusion to be drawn is that the classes being offered by the people with those opinions simply dont teach any of the skills needed to meet the spirit of the law (since we already know that it meets the letter of the law) meaning that safe pistol handeling skills dont carry over from long gun skills and/or that they simply dont learn safe gun handling skills at all. Like I said, thats disturbing to me.
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