Posted by Scott in SF on September 10, 2011 at 19:59:40 from (75.61.102.36):
In Reply to: Re: OT ruger handgun posted by gun guru on September 10, 2011 at 13:12:48:
How many shootings have you been to ? Self defense laws are very similar throught the US. You have to use reasonable force and the threat must be recognizable by a reasonable person. If you decide to arrange evidence or make up a story the detective will be all over you, trust, he is well trained. You are confused about Castle. All Castle does is say you can't be sued or prosecuted if you did use reasonable force. In other words Castle will not protect you if you shoot a policeman executing a warrent, or the cable guy, your daughters bowfriend that snuck in a window, a friend that was in your house and you got drunk and became beligerant with, the inlaw you have always hated that said something stupid at Easter dinner, or even a criminal that puts up his hand and says I give up. Using deadly force in situations like that can get you convicted of manslaughter or murder, and you don't seem like the kind of person that would do easy time! California is a "Presumption" state. The presumption is that you did use reasonable force. Far better legislation I think. I am not saying that a 9MM has more kenetic energy than a 12 ga, I am saying it has enough. If it makes it to hand to hand fighting it is far easier for the bad guy to grab the barrel of a long arm. Also, no US troops shot the 223 Remington out of their weapons, not one. Nor was the 223 bullit designed to fragment. Troops use the 5.56, there is a difference, thought a gun guru would know that. The 855 bullit was designed to yaw when entering soft tissue, causing it to tumble, if traveling greater than 24-2500 fps it can break at the crimping grove. Anyway, that GI was wrong, there are lots of casses of a 5.56 passing through a torso and the victim living, depents on what got hit and how close the trama team is. The 30-30 is a great round, when I started out as a deputy nearly 30 years ago we had model 94 Winchesters in our patrol cars. Isn't it interesting that the Soviet 7.62 X 39 has almost identical performance to the 30-30.
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