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Ok Guys...If you had 2 12 volt batteries hooked together and had 1 electric motor let say 1/2hp and you had the motor running a 12v altenator on a belt. If you flipped the swithch...would it run forever??? The altenator would charge the batts, and the motor would run off the batts???

Or is this an example of prepetual motion??

LOl I dont have the answer but I have been thinking about it all morning...

What do you think??
 
It would run for a long time but eventually stop. You can't get back all the energy you take out, you lose the friction in the belt and bearings and the heat loss of the motor and alt windings. Using an electric drive on a cart can be efficient if you use Regenerative Braking, Motor charging the battery to stop.
Later Bob
 
No, because you have to use energy to overcome the friction from the bearings, etc., as well as the energy necessary to carry the load created by the alternator, plus any other load on the system.
 
If it worked there would be no oil, gas, coal, nuclear or solar industry.
Unless of course the motor and generator used teddy26forfood's magic magnets.
 
(quoted from post at 07:14:29 04/23/11) Ok Guys...If you had 2 12 volt batteries hooked together and had 1 electric motor let say 1/2hp and you had the motor running a 12v altenator on a belt. If you flipped the swithch...would it run forever??? The altenator would charge the batts, and the motor would run off the batts???

Or is this an example of prepetual motion??

LOl I dont have the answer but I have been thinking about it all morning...

What do you think??
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I've been thinking of the same thing for over 40 years. Never actually built a prototype to experiment with, but the facts I have been able to uncover point to the fact it will not work.
 
Look at it this way even if it did work it could only do that, sit there and do its thing and nothing else. Doing anything else would sap power from the system and it would come to a stop. Kind of a moving pet rock.
 
A whole number of reasons it won't work, but its going to take a lot more than 1/2 hp to spin the alternator. On a car they say the alt. uses 5 hp. at full output.
 
I don't think it would run very long at all. The components all have efficiency ratings of less than 100% This subject has been beat to death, but not by any serious thinkers!
 
It violates the second and third laws of thermodynamics. So according to the traditional physics used for every machine in existence, it won't work and if it did would be the world's first perpetual motion machine.

Of course, if you follow the enlightened laws of physics as practiced by Crackpot Joe Newman and our colleague Teddy, it is not only possible but you can even collect excess energy. It just depends on whose thermodynamics you choose to use.
 
It would run for a while.... mabey quite a while depending on the efficiency of the motor/drive/alt setup... but eventually it will go dead.
Others have posted the basic laws of thermo...

Rod
 
I once put a 12v alternator belted to a tired 5hp garden tiller motor. Under some circumstances, like charging a nearly dead battery, the alternator put a heap of hurt on that motor - lugged it right down. So, based on that my guess is that a 1/2 horse electric motor wouldn't begin to keep an alternator happy. Now, if you want to do the math, and knowing full well, that nothing in your system runs at full 100% efficiency, you already know the outcome..... Won't run for very long. Every time you convert a form of energy to another form, there is a net energy loss.
 
I think I'm getting real close. I asked my wife what I did wrong and she's been going for 49 years, if I'd put a belt pully on her in 1960-----------ouch!?!?
 
That's what I'm-a-thinking; tow behind/roll-along wheel/tire with an alterntor/generator mounted tuit. Will make more electricity than you can use.
 
NOPE If the laws of Physics and Thermodynamics are correct that is. A Machine cant produce more energy then it consumes due mostly to friction and heat losses. You cant create or destroy energy only change its form.

John T
 
Or better yet, have a bunch of wheels hanging off it, each with an alternator. You'd be making so much juice you'd have to drag a chain to keep from electrocuting yourself.

Why can't all the smart guys in Washington think of stuff like this?
 
I had a car like that once, the brakes kept burnin' up. Hadda jump out when the brakes failed once. Last I saw that car it was headed east on I-90. Kinda looked like a shock wave ahead of it, figger it finally went supersonic before it got to the Columbia gorge at Vantage.
 
No, won"t work, beyond all the thermo dynamics and laws of physics and if the motor could pull the alternator etc, you have 2 12 volt batteries and 1 12 volt alternator.....
 
Please google gogyropower.com to see the machine putting out 7000 times more than is put in by the batteries. The rest comes from E=MC squared. Please respond after you watch the whole video. Thank you.
 
REmember E=MC squared. Google gogyropower.com & watch the video. The machine is putting out 7000 times what the batteries can produce. The rest comes from the mass being converted to energy (E=MC squared) The total output is still less than the total imput.
 
I had a electrical foreman at my place of work tell me if he could find enough solar collectors around a 100 watt bulb, He could run his house. He made a lot of money thinking like that. Greg.
 
teddy26food.
The Newman PM is proven to be a failure because even with current energy prices. newman's ripoff machine does not work or everything would have a Newman motor in it.
The Japanese would have grabbed the technology by now after drowning half a dozen reactors.
If Nickolaus Tesla didn't figure it out. You/Newman can't beak the laws of nuclear physics either.
I'm surprised you/newman haven't tried the old trick "rotate the field pole magnets" with a stepping motor while the rotor pole is immediately adjacent.
 
What is there not to believe. If you have watched the video you have seen it with your own eyes. There is no way those batteries are running that motor. It is coming from the permanent magnets and the magnetic fields of the copper windings produced by the voltage of the batteries. Don't confuse this with a conventional motor, which is designed to consume power. Joe's motor is designed to produce power which you can see it is doing.
 
Where do you get the idea that it is breaking any laws? The imput from E=MC squared is almost impossible to measure. That motor can run and produce power for many years before you could measure a weight loss. The Japanese may be working on it as I understand Joe has already contacted them about building without patent protection. Soon we will have to be getting them from Japan instead of at home in USA. Tesla admitted he didn't know what electricy actually was & said it would be a great discovery when someone figures it out. Joe has done that. I suggest you read the manuel to unserstand what is going on. This is the tractor power of the future.
 
Teddy, I grew up in the sixties and have a special affinity for the musical "Hair". But it's going to take more than "Aquarius" playing in the background to get me to believe Crackpot Joe's nonsense. Maybe after I've smoked as much dope and dropped as much acid as Joe I can become a believer.

If Newman's machine actually worked, he would be richer than Bill Gates and Warren Buffet combined. The man is a fraud and a charlatan.
 
So he just built a permanent-magnet motor, and found a way to dress it up pretty and make people think it was producing energy instead of using it?

BRILLIANT!!!!
 
Please prove that Joe has smoked dope or dropped acid. I don't think you can. If his machine doesn't work, Why did big oil offer millions of $$$$$ to buy him out? He told them to go to hades knowing it would be suppressed.
 
Then why hasn't big oil made their own magic magnet motor and patented it? Crack pot Joe doesn't have a patent on his "invention" to protect from copying.
 
I believe video proof.Why I just seen and found out about about 40ft tall talking alien robots having a civil war on our planet.
b.t.w they don't use E=MC2 PM magnet motor/generators either. They run on Energon.
 
Joe has been trying to push this magic motor for how many years? And it still hasn't caught on?
How many more years do you estimate joe is going to push his "idea" ?
 
Making fun of your wish for a solution being so strong. Your emotions over ride logic, common sense and the laws of physics.
 
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