Had final welding test and interview today. 60 year old me against a 25 year old. Had passed the mechanical apptitude test,2 first welding test, and 2 other interviews before today. Assembly line welding. Had to weld 5 parts. All of mine passed the stress test, 25 year old only 3 passed. Final inertview I was told they were hiring the other guy as he is certified. Yeah, right.
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Ron Anderson
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Around here he would have been a minority and possibly a illegal.
Dont take it personally.
If you are that good of a welder and/or mechanic then do side work for a job.
Not many companies will hire guys over 55 in a physically demanding job like that.
I do know of a an old timer at the Ford Sharonville transmission plant that was 77 and he was in a semi-skilled trades position. He served in WW2. Ford eventually forced him out I was told. Now he would be 90+.
I also know of a guy that had his own machine shop at 78. (small time, just him and his grandson) I havent talked to him in a few years.
If you are that good of a welder and/or mechanic then do side work for a job.
Not many companies will hire guys over 55 in a physically demanding job like that.
I do know of a an old timer at the Ford Sharonville transmission plant that was 77 and he was in a semi-skilled trades position. He served in WW2. Ford eventually forced him out I was told. Now he would be 90+.
I also know of a guy that had his own machine shop at 78. (small time, just him and his grandson) I havent talked to him in a few years.
oldironman
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They did you a faver. Who would want to work for a company that would not hire the best person. I would want to work for the best company, wouldn't you.
Fawteen
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Blatant age discrimination. I'd grab 'em by the filberts and twist for all I was worth, if it was me.
I spent 6 months looking for work, and I'd bet money half or more of my applications wound up in the trash as soon as they saw my grey beard and bald head. Never caught them at it, luckily for them.
I spent 6 months looking for work, and I'd bet money half or more of my applications wound up in the trash as soon as they saw my grey beard and bald head. Never caught them at it, luckily for them.
K
Kruse
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"Certification"
My brother, a farmer who can weld but never has taken any welding school, worked as a welder during the winter for a manufacturing company a few years ago.
Whenever he welded up a piece, another certified welder would come and put his certification on it.
The whole company knew about it.
My brother, a farmer who can weld but never has taken any welding school, worked as a welder during the winter for a manufacturing company a few years ago.
Whenever he welded up a piece, another certified welder would come and put his certification on it.
The whole company knew about it.
Anonymous-0
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That means two of his parts have a good chance to fail. Hope I din't end up with what ever they make. Stan
Today they say the possibility of a job revolves around "Networking." That is to say you have a series of contacts within an industry to let you know about leads and be a go-between to HR people and yourself.
Back in the day I think they would define it as being "it's not what you know but who you know."
Back in the day I think they would define it as being "it's not what you know but who you know."
John Harmon.
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Yeah he is certified,certified to be 35 years younger than you,probably no health issues,probably will kiss A## all the way up the chain of command,we have all been there.[If you are over 55 that is]Not much oppurtunity for a guy over the hill so to speak,to aquire a good paying or for that matter just a good job. HD or Lowes will start any body at $7.25 per hr and it will take about 4 years to get a $.50 Raise. I am so thankful I grew up in the era I did and that my lifes work was my choice and not determined by my having to have a job at any wage. I'm 74 this year and have been retired since 1999 after 32 years, from the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners Union of America.
Adirondack case guy
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I spent 7.5 Hrs. on a webliner yesterday to receive a peice of paper that says that
I am certified installer for WOOD MASTER Flex Fuel indoor/outdoor Furnaces. Passed the test at the end and I am "Certified" They appear to be a great high tech wood-gasification boiler ,90% efficiency burning Biomas fuel, but very pricy, and I haven't layed eyes on one yet. Is there anyone out there that has one. A model FF30KW or FF60KW.
I am certified installer for WOOD MASTER Flex Fuel indoor/outdoor Furnaces. Passed the test at the end and I am "Certified" They appear to be a great high tech wood-gasification boiler ,90% efficiency burning Biomas fuel, but very pricy, and I haven't layed eyes on one yet. Is there anyone out there that has one. A model FF30KW or FF60KW.
My FORMER best friend works at a hospital in maintenance. About ten years ago a head carpenter spot opened. My friend is good, but so are others. A young guy who had been at the hospital years before my friend was in line for the job. After the dust settled my former friend got the job. My other friend who works there told me about it. I asked why. he said "Duh" your buddy and the boss are on the fire department together thats why. Thats why I say he is my "former " friend.
teddy52food
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If you are that good, work for yourself. Why work for somebody else?
Anonymous-0
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I agree on the age discrimination. A lot of guys look real good on paper but can't do the actual job worth a darn. Sadly a lot of really qualified people never even get an interview because they don't have a fancy smancy resume(full of exaggerated qualifications). It's also highly possible that he could have challenged the certification test and easily became certified. That was probably just a lame excuse because if it was an absolute requirement for the job, it would have been brought up from the outset.
1950whiteC
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Why should I become a certified welder?
You should get certified because not every welder is certified or can pass a test and everyone knows that.
You will automatically jump over the heads of thousands of welders who never had the chance or maybe just never bothered to get certified.
Does every human resources manager who hires a welder know welding from third base?
No!
Will that same HR manager hire you over a more experienced welder if you have papers and he doesn’t?
Maybe! Probably!
Is that fair?
Please….nothing is fair.
Do want them to be fair and give the job to the guy with more experience? Or do you want the job?
Anonymous-0
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It depends a lot on where you are. Some places require you to be a registered apprentice or licensed journeyman in order to work as a welder. Other times, anyone who can pass a weld test can be "certified" for that type of welding. The biggest advantage a licensed welder has is they know the theory and procedures behind welding as well as the actual welding. It doesn't neccessarily mean they can weld better, but being able to weld is only part of what a welder needs to know. The same as a carpenter or electrician. Anybody can pound a nail or change a receptacle but not everybody would know how to frame a house or wire it. Welding is the most tested trade there is.
In the other post about a certified welder putting his stamp on a non certified welders work, that shop could get fined and shut down depending on how critical the work is. I know of a shop that lost it's U stamp to build pressure vessels. Not sure why but that would certainly do it. The welder using his stamp could lose his welding license and be fined as well. If he was watching the other welder to make sure it was done properly, he might have authority to put his stamp on the weld. On large heavy vessels it's not uncommon to see 4 or more different welders stamps on the same weld. In this case if he needed to be certified, they should have asked that as question number 1 in the interview, not strung him along for the job tests and more interviews, only to tell him he needed to be certified.
In the other post about a certified welder putting his stamp on a non certified welders work, that shop could get fined and shut down depending on how critical the work is. I know of a shop that lost it's U stamp to build pressure vessels. Not sure why but that would certainly do it. The welder using his stamp could lose his welding license and be fined as well. If he was watching the other welder to make sure it was done properly, he might have authority to put his stamp on the weld. On large heavy vessels it's not uncommon to see 4 or more different welders stamps on the same weld. In this case if he needed to be certified, they should have asked that as question number 1 in the interview, not strung him along for the job tests and more interviews, only to tell him he needed to be certified.
Traditional Farmer
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You're 60 years old and you still expect life to be fair?Proably didn't get hired because of slow learning issues.
Goose
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I got the best job of my life when I was 61. And a month ago, at age 76, a company emailed me out of the blue and asked if I'd be interested in working for them. I'm checking them out.
Somebody once said, "Nothing happens until somebody sells something". Think about it. Even a doctor wouldn't have a practice if he didn't sell the community on his skills as a doctor.
Besides selling your skills, you have to be current on technology and current events, and sell yourself to the company on how you would be an asset to the company.
When I was in a position of hiring, I always looked for that one applicant who could, and would, explain to me how the company would be better off if I hired him. And who had done enough research to know what he was talking about.
Take two men, both of equal skills, who were laid off a month ago. One is 30, one is 60. The 60 year old says, "I really need a job 'cause I got laid off a month ago and I have bills to catch up".
The 30 year old says, "In the month since I was laid off, I did some research and found I can not only be proficient in the job I'm interviewing for, I can contribute to your company by also doing this, this, and that".
The 30 year old will get hired, and the 60 year old will claim age discrimination.
I have a Marine Corps bumper sticker on the wall in my office saying, "Attitude Is Everything!".
You can go into an interview looking for a job, or you can go into an interview prepared to convince the interviewer in detail how his company will be better off if he hires you.
Your choice.
My sermon for the day.
Somebody once said, "Nothing happens until somebody sells something". Think about it. Even a doctor wouldn't have a practice if he didn't sell the community on his skills as a doctor.
Besides selling your skills, you have to be current on technology and current events, and sell yourself to the company on how you would be an asset to the company.
When I was in a position of hiring, I always looked for that one applicant who could, and would, explain to me how the company would be better off if I hired him. And who had done enough research to know what he was talking about.
Take two men, both of equal skills, who were laid off a month ago. One is 30, one is 60. The 60 year old says, "I really need a job 'cause I got laid off a month ago and I have bills to catch up".
The 30 year old says, "In the month since I was laid off, I did some research and found I can not only be proficient in the job I'm interviewing for, I can contribute to your company by also doing this, this, and that".
The 30 year old will get hired, and the 60 year old will claim age discrimination.
I have a Marine Corps bumper sticker on the wall in my office saying, "Attitude Is Everything!".
You can go into an interview looking for a job, or you can go into an interview prepared to convince the interviewer in detail how his company will be better off if he hires you.
Your choice.
My sermon for the day.
Paul from MN
Member
If he is 77 and served in WW2, what did he do? He was 11 years old when the war ended...
The place I work at always seems to hire the most worthless people...The 3 top producers in my dept are all over age 50...I'm over 60 and usually get the most work out simply because I dont visit with everyone,talk on the phone all the time,get on the computer,nor take excessive breaks..I never call in sick like lots do..
In a recent 2 week peroid I completed 37 jobs while one woman in my dept that loves to visit all day long only got 8 done...Shes paid the same as me..The boss loves her because she rats on everyone..
In a recent 2 week peroid I completed 37 jobs while one woman in my dept that loves to visit all day long only got 8 done...Shes paid the same as me..The boss loves her because she rats on everyone..
Traditional Farmer
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You're exactly right I used to hire at a company I worked for and very few applicants came in with the attitude of what they could offer the company most wanted to know what the company was going to do for them,days off,vacation etc etc before they even talked about what the company expected.Guess which ones were hired?US work force quality has declined dramatically in the last 30 years no wonder the jobs have moved overseas.
My first job at that company I offered to work free for a week and if they liked what I did they could pay me if not we'd part ways.Guess I did OK I worked there 20 years.
My first job at that company I offered to work free for a week and if they liked what I did they could pay me if not we'd part ways.Guess I did OK I worked there 20 years.
greenbeanman in Kansas
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Think about it---they are probably thinking you could retire in 2 to a few more years whereas they could train the young buck and get around 40 years out of him before he retires.
Also you can tell them to kiss your grits if it turns out to be a lousy place to work whereas the young buck might need the job so badly he'd simply put up with poor working conditions.
If I were the employer I'd rather have two good productive years out of you than the kid, but one does have to look at the big picture including future too.
Also you can tell them to kiss your grits if it turns out to be a lousy place to work whereas the young buck might need the job so badly he'd simply put up with poor working conditions.
If I were the employer I'd rather have two good productive years out of you than the kid, but one does have to look at the big picture including future too.
Anonymous-0
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dont give up ILLEFTY. I had exact same experiance 2 years ago. I didnt think I stood a chance testing against 20 to 40 year olds. I got the job, along with several other fellas in thier 50's. Come to find out the younger guys were failing the drug test! sad aint it?
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