well pulling problem

Anonymous-0 · Apr 7, 2011

i needSome GOOD IDEAS, And You guys are the best .. got trouble pulling my 50 ft well ,, seems that the plastic pipe and jet is wedged somehow about 35 ft down and the pipes are full of water , i can only raise it a couple inches and cant get a grip onit to twist it around ,,there is a ornge plastic balingtwine figure eighted around the 2 pipes about 6 ft down that i can get a wire down and fish it back ,, but ifear it will break anddropthe whole thing a couplefeet further .. before i ruin my best chances ,, thought it best to ask here

Offandgone · Apr 7, 2011

Get the water out at the top and dry it good. PVC glue a coupling on and add more pipe so you can get a hold on it.
This might work if I understand what you are saying.
Frank

old · Apr 7, 2011

This will not help you get it out but may help you in the future. All pumps I have set in had a hole in them for a rope and I use that hole for a nylon rope. My well house has a boat trailer wench set up in it so I can pull my pump with out much real work. I to have plastic pipe and to pull my pump takes 2 people One to work the wrench and one to guide the pipe out of the well house

Tony S. · Apr 7, 2011

We had tree roots in the shaft of our well. Made a hook on a long piece of 1/2 pipe and pulled the roots up with it. Or maybe you could hook the pump itself.

Errin OH · Apr 8, 2011

I am not sure I understand it all but I think the first thing I would do is use a couple wires/rods and put something a little more substantial around the pipe. Use one wire/rod to feed it down, use the other to fish it back up and get it tied off good. That way, if it does slip you have something to hang on to, plus you have something decent to pull on.

Next thing I'd do is construct a tri-pod to work with. I pulled a 100' by hand and it was a freaking nightmare wrestling that pipe, holding, and pulling with just two hands. Using two ropes you can pull up and tie off one, connect the other (lower) and repeat.

Old Roy · Apr 8, 2011

Just helped pull one a few months ago did have enough room to use a couple 2X4's about 20" long we bolted them together to form a clamp on the plastic pipe and didn't tighten it to completely smash the line used a small back hoe to do the lifting and slid clamp down on each lift cycle.

We had to turn it too because I guess the casing had shifted.

Anonymous-0 · Apr 8, 2011

hook up a air compreeser and blow out the water slowly, then get a brass coulper so you can get the plast pipe long enought to work with, get hold of that baling twine and tie it off so it WON"T fall down to the jet if it hasn't aready. then keep pulling and pushing and twisting it nice and easy, sounds like it has a ring of rust built up round water level. you will be able to get it out this way long as the baling twine hasn't falling down and balled up round the jet DON'T PULL REAL HARD or you will break off them cheap .50 cent plast. adapters you put on 20 years ago, just take you time. you can also build a clamp out of a couple of 2x4 just make them a foot long drill holes in each end and bolt them togeter over the pipe. We never put safty rope on our pumps cause if it rots off or breaks off you will never pull the pump. it could be a broken fitting down there if they are plast. I alway use brass down the hole or under ground. plast.above ground. is it a 4" well?

Anonymous-0 · Apr 8, 2011

You are dand luckly you didn't pull every thing apart in the middle and lose the well, or pay big bucks to have it fished out

Anonymous-0 · Apr 8, 2011

Drastic measures. We had one down 200 feet, no casing, jet hung up on rock, no go, called someone with a little dynamite to blow pipe off (we pulled one pipe off jet trying to pull it). We left the jet in the bottom and set the new pump a little higher, water level was plenty high enough. Saved the well. Good luck

Brad Gyde · Apr 8, 2011

Couple years ago I tried to help my grandpa and uncle pull the farm well.

He was smarter than the average bear, in that he hooked a stainless cable on the jet pump when they installed it years ago.. It easily came up 8 feet or so.. at that point it tried to lift the rear of the loader tractor up..

We kept trying, and ended up breaking the cable off (I guess even sulfur and time is no match for the stainless), and I can't remember how exactly we cut the pipes off (seems like we looped a cable around them and used something heavy to push the cable down.)

Anyhow, Grandad decided that the casings has shifted (old steel 4" casings) and he dropped down a new 3" pump.. and said he had a heck of a time getting that down the casings.

Brad

Anonymous-0 · Apr 8, 2011

Thanx t o Everyone for all the ideas ,, I think I will raise it enuff to get 2x4s on it , hook up air and get alot of water out of there ,(had not thought of that thank you ).. take a come along and lower below the wedge and,patiently twist , wiggle and pray , and hopefully get this puupy out of there ,, the hole seems to twist North east , wonder if all the little earth shakes we had here in the last 40 yrs have anything to do with that ,

Anonymous-0 · Apr 8, 2011

If you use a come a long you have a good chance of wedgeing it in the hole, been doing this stuff for 12 years now, it's just like every thing else when this go wrong thats not the time to put a lot of power to it. let us know how you make out.

Anonymous-0 · Apr 8, 2011

could bee, while you pull and push gently walw around in a circle so tha the jet is in a difference spot this will help because the jet is not round but egg shaped.

jackinok · Apr 8, 2011

other guys have given you good info,sounds like casing has collapsed(if it has any)just curious why are you pulling it?foot valve bad?if it is and you cant get it out put a check valve in water line at surface below pump and try it should act pretty much same as foot valve if pipes dont have a hole in them.if your hole is uncased below surface,make you up a tri pod rig or some thing and use a come along to put a fair strain on pipe and leave it.sometimes it will slowly pull out of mud this way,just keep a strain on it,if it slacks off tighten come along another notch.ive pulled windmill pumps this way a time or two,use a winch truck with gin poles put enough strain on pipe to raise front of truck and leave it by next morning front of truck would be down and pipe would be loose.kind of have to figure out by common sense whats going on sometimes,one that wont move at all,and maybe has started pumping mud ,is likely stuck at bottom of hole.one that pulls some and then stops generally has casing (or hole)collapsed higher up.could save the well depending on how bad its collpsed,and water level.by either recasing well and putting in a smaller cyl,or raising pump above sand if it s collapsed at bottom.good luck!

Russ from MN · Apr 8, 2011

I am not sure what you are talking about, it sounds to me that you have a 2 line jet system in the well with the pump above ground, right? Most of the replies refer to a submersible pumps. I had a submersible pump stick one time where I had to push it back down and keep turning it (clockwise only) and gently pull on it with a small chain fall. To make a clamp out of 2 x 4s I would recommend bolting them together and drilling a hole down through the split slightly smaller than the pipe so it fits around the pipe, less apt to crush it. As for broken off pipes, I think well service companies have tools that will go inside a broken pipe and expand to pull it, wouldn't be too hard to make something like that. Good luck!

bc · Apr 8, 2011

When you do get it out, toss that pipe and get some new good stuff with better couplings. Keep track of the depth where it is stuck. You may want to run something in on a cable to see what the obstruction is either in the pipe or open hole. A number of things can be done once you find the problem. I've done a number of oil well fishing, milling, reaming, and liner jobs. There is a tool for everything.

Usually a little turning while you pull helps free things up. Strap wrench on the pipe or a pipe wrench on the collars. Just don't pipe wrench the pipe as you can break it. PVC gets brittle over time.

Rusted: what do you use for well pipe nowadays?

Anonymous-0 · Apr 8, 2011

1"-125 or 160 psi polly pipe up to 300' over 300' we use 1" galv steel.

Tony in Mass. · Apr 8, 2011

I'm sorry to say I have no ideas at all, but to cheer you up at a time like this- what about the people who buy land in Arizona and New Mexico and the realestate guy sez "good water between 800 and 1200 feet down'... I can't even imagine how to start that job. We always had a second- not inspected- water source, like redo and put a jet pump and foot valve in the old hand dug well, or put a 'dry hydrant' in an open stream as close as possible you can draw from, no water gets old fast, and an option like that 'can' lower your fire insurance. best of luck.

bc · Apr 9, 2011

Thanks Rusted. Now how do you attach you poly to the pump so you can trust to pull on it and not leak? I don't always have the greatest luck with 3 clamps.

oldironman · Apr 9, 2011

I would be guessing that the jet is sand locked in the bottom of the well. Gently up and down, up and down and it will come after a while. Just don't be in a hurry.

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