roundup, or??????????

Hey folks,
I have 2 places that are about 10x30ft that I want to wipe out everything then level with a little gravel and lay out some grass pavers that'll be backfilled with fine gravel. Grass can do what it wants afterwards because there will be a horse on the area that'll grab whatever pops up.
Also have a few big industrial strength Burrs that grow in the back yard and a hazelnut bush and elderberry tree that I want to get rid of.

The hazelnut bush is thinning down some each year because when we freeze brand foals, I dump the leftover liquid nitrogen on it. The elderberry and burrs just keep coming back when you cut them.
Is roundup going to do me any good? If so, when is the best time to use it?

While typing this, I had a brainstorm.

If I cut the elderberry off at the ground and the hazelnut bush the same, then get a few chunks of coal or a pile of charcoal going and pile on the stump, will that kill them?

Leaves me with the two places that are choked with grass and the burrs. Will the charcoal idea kill the burrs also (there are only about 5 stalks)? Or can they just be dug out?

Thanks, Dave

burdock and cocklebur have a pretty deep tap root, burning prolly wont get rid of it. i mix amine 2-4d and round up and couple drops of dish soap and spot spray to burn down the burdock. it will also take care of your elderberry and hazelnut. 2-4d does drift in the wind so be careful you dont spray in a breeze.

ive never had any problem getting rid of cockleburs just by pulling them up before they drop their burs,dont know about burdock.trees and bushes i simply cut down and IMEDIATLY paint stump with brush killer type roundup full strength.

What I have is burdock. 5 or 6 plants. Hazelnut is a bunch of stems <2 inches covering about a 6 foot circle, and 2 elderberry 4 and 6 inches.

Hazelnuts are cut. Can I just mix and pour on stumps (elderberry also)? If so, how much do I need? Can I cut the burrs and pour on also?

Dave

if you mean sand burrs,turn your horse loose on them as soon as they turn green,mine would walk thru clover to pull them up.cows also.I think roundup just feeds the things.MSMA is about the only thing around here that will kill them ,but you must spray for several years in a row to completly get rid of them.seeds can lay for a long time,and ive heard they will also come back from roots.

if your stumps have been cut for any time at all ,you need to cut them again to get a fresh cut and pour or paint roundup on them right then.if you wait any time at all they kind of seal over and roundup wont go in stump.there was a write up in the paper the other day that said if you sprayed all the exposed roots,about two ft up the tree,in very early spring it would kill one,but ive not tried it.according to that article, brush could be killed the same way.the secret was to spray at the bottom of the brush and not the top.like I say I havnt tried it.

Roundup doesnt do a very good job killin stemy vegetation. Like glennster said youll need to mix in some 2-4d. Cross bow would work better on your hazelnut bush and edelberry tree tho.

Does elderberry have a lot of roots? What if I just put a chail on it and pulled it out with the frontloader? Think I can beat the hazelnut with a little creativity (a few weanie roast fires).. Burrs I'll cut and just keep mowing. The grass choked places, I'll try a torch and some pulling. Not crazy about using chemicals unless they work fast (which I guess isn't the case).

Thanks, Dave

dave, i use a 2 1/2 gallon pump sprayer, 8 ounces od round up, 41% glyphosate, and 8 oz amine 2-4d. just spray it on to wet em, it will burn em down pretty quick. works great on poison ivy too. be sure the plants are actively growing.

Roundup only works on green plant surfaces or mixed very strong painted on a _fresh_ cut stump so it flows into the sap rings - like have a saw in one hand and paintbrush with RUP in the other type of fresh cut - not 2 hours later.

As well it needs to be nice growing conditions, much better above 60 degrees, hard to see results below 45 degrees. On waxy tough leaves Dawn dish soap or other 'sticky' type additives will help the RUP get into the leaf. Let it be for a week or 2, RUP works slowly, allow the stuff to travel down to the roots, where it then comes back up to the growing points - takes time.

But it would work well for you if you meet those conditions. Easy to get, only need the one product for all your issues.

The fire pit on the stemmy stuff can work too. It won't work so well on the burdock, that can be tough. Strong RUP works on it.

--->Paul

The fast acting herbicides can be the more harmful and long-lasting ones... As well they tend to burn off the top of the plant, but leave the root system there to regrow over and over. Not quite sure I understand your point on that, just think you have it upside down - if you use a herbicide you want one that works the first time and well and safely, no need to reapply over & over & over and just burn the tops off.

As much as we understand safety & effects, RUP would be the one product that would get everything and will safely bind itself to clay particles in minutes where it will break down in a couple weeks. Some other chemicals are more prone to lasting 6 months to longer in tiny amounts, or will disolve in water & wash into streams or sandy soil groundwater, etc. etc.

Burdock has a habit of knocking the mower around; good luck with just mowing it, don't think that will do it alone. You can try digging it out, but it has a long-lasting large deep root. This is not an easy one to deal with.

I understand if you don't want to use herbicides - but if you do use them pick the right ones, not listen to scare stories - don't want you to go the wrong direcion with them.

--->Paul

My experience is burning the stumps kills them.
I cut off at the ground some dieing Ash trees a few years ago and in the spring up would come some saplings. I gave them a good burning and no more saplings last year. Mark

Have you seen the "Using your Tractor and Crop Talk forum a little further down the list?

(quoted from post at 17:17:54 03/14/11) Have you seen the "Using your Tractor and Crop Talk forum a little further down the list?

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What are you trying to say???

phone co came thru about 15 years ago and leveled some junction point and spread morton water softener salt arond junction blocks...took about 5-6 years before i saw anything growing in them bare spots.

For that woody type vegatation I"d look at Crossbow. See if it"s labeled for the plants you want to get rid of.

Just cut the unwanted brush off and put a few
drops of "Tordon" on the fresh cut stems.
Tordon cost me (about)$12 a quart at the farmers
C0-0P 4 years ago.