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Dave from MN

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Is this story acurate or are the distoring anything. As farmers we are paying alot of property taxes, I am surprised that they would support the unions in this when the farmers are paying so much of the bill. Is this another example of protest's supporting Walker and being used to show support for theunions? Any one know a bit more?
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I see where you could make the mistake of thinking those are "farm orginizations",but the Farmers Union is just that,a hard left union. Those other two,Family Farm Defenders and Land Stewardship project are just leftwing extremist environmental and animal rights groups.
 
(quoted from post at 07:58:08 03/08/11) I see where you could make the mistake of thinking those are "farm orginizations",but the Farmers Union is just that,a hard left union. Those other two,Family Farm Defenders and Land Stewardship project are just leftwing extremist environmental and animal rights groups.
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Perfectly said rrlund,..."hard left,....and, "leftwing". I like to make reference to all of them as, "LIBTARDS", or "Moon-bats"!
 
Ya,and there won't have to be one single tractor show up for people to remember when farmers "drove their tractors to support the protestors". The seed has been planted in peoples minds.
 
This has to be a crock, there might be a few old hippies that peddle goat milk soap or emu eggs at the local farmers market show up. The average real farmer is just like the average working man in the USA, he doesn't have time to protest even if he wanted to because he has to make a living and pay taxes to support parasite public employees and politicians.
 
I hadn't even heard about this... but there is an Ag at the Capital day (or some such) coming up... an annual event. I know THIS farmer DOESN'T support the unions. And I know some teachers and former teachers who don't agree with teh union either.
 
This is total left side crapola, might be 20 that show, just more radical bs. As a born in Wisconsin resident I personnally support Walker and so do most of the residents I have spoken to
 
This is really, really simple. What party do most farmers in Wisconsin consistently vote for ? When pressure is applied to farm organizations concerning future pet projects/legislation, will they "dance with the girl that brung yah" ? When free health care/BadgerCare for farmers may suffer funding cuts, who will the farmers support ? Lastly, anybody who subscribes to Wisconsin Farmer newspaper knows which way ALL of the agriculture community leans when it comes to supporting politicians. Wake up and smell the coffee, there will be lots and lots of tractors in Madison on Sat.
 
I and my tractors will not be there. The bottom line is Gov. Walker campaign on this. Now he's just delivering on his campaign promise (who'da thunk it). A lot of people who voted for him may be second-guessing their choice now, but it does not change the fact that he planned on doing this the very beginning and was voted in by a large margin. And by the way I did not vote for him.
 
By my figures that means 28 plus tractors per county, any one north of highway 8 must travel at least 250 miles just to get to the capital, at ten miles to the gallon in your average tow vehicle that would cost a northern farmer about 200 dollars in $3.95 per gallon diesel just to get there and back. Most of my farming friends are not going to waste that much of their hard earned money just to whine about someone keeping their campaign promises, whether they agree with it or not! Wait til the next election if you don't like it! This is how democracy works, someone gets voted in , someone gets voted out. As an old politician friend of mine says, "I don't really care what you think of me I only need to please 51 percent of the people" And that my friends is how the system works!
 
It's frustrating how much whining there is towards the public employees now that times have gotten a little tough. There seems to be a lot of jealousness because they are earning a decent wage with benefits while some businesspeople are going broke. A lot of farmers and small businesspeople are that because they are too independent to work for anyone else, don't like to take orders. Then when they go bankrupt its the middle class taxpayer that bails them out. Whether you work for a union establishment or not, the unions have set the standard for the middle class worker, if they are broken watch out! If the WI public workers need to take cuts then it should be negotiated, not rammed down their throats!
 
God bless ya cj,i work for a city and i surport walker, i do our contract talks (non union)and back in 09 our mayor told us 2011 was going to be a bad year,and we cannot as a state keeping talking money from the trans fund or tobacco fund,and mostly that stimulas money.when that runs out what are we going todo then? I would of been less pain full to some if our past governer could of balanced his checkbook. Have to do more with less,whats wrong with that.farmers do it all the time. just my 2 cents plus tax
 
Earl, tell me how you negotiate with someone that is unwilling to negotiate. Hasn"t it been said by the union leaders that this IS NOT OPEN to discussion. I PRAISE GOV. WALKER
 
14 tractors each dragging a Dem senator at end of a log chain would be welcome. Considering our weather in March- tractors might be the ones with snowplows on them or front end loaders. It is getting kind of wierd around Madison- or should I say wierder than usual for this time of year. I voted for gov, budget troubles are being faced. Still would like a Beck compliance preapproval for political dues form law- but something like that is in budget bill- to rile unions and nnalert. RN
 
As an independant voter I ask myself, If the unions are truly for the everyday worker, why arn't they demonstrating at the headquarters of every international, national and local oil company, protesting the theft of our hard earned money at the gas pump.
 
Badger Care is a sore point for me. SUPPOSEDLY set up to help farmers, yet I'm too "rich" to qualify (because they count depreciation). I might qualify now, after two years of poor milk prices and with two kids... but I have insurance, and if I leave it to get on B.C., how long before I no longer qualify, and have to go back to private insurance - and what would it cost to get back on that private insurance? And have you seen the numbers of who is on B.C.? Only a small fraction of those covered - something like 1 out of 7 or 8 - is a farmer or farm family member.
 
Most of us have to buy our own health insurance. Why was BadgerCare originally set up for farmers ? Shouldn't they buy their health care insurance like the rest of us do ?
 
Or even bettter, why aren't unions demonstrating against BOTH parties for working with globalists to offshore millions and millions of jobs with such actions as NAFTA and GATT. Maybe if we still had jobs and actually made something in the U.S., we would not be arguing over the scraps that are left.
 
I've never been a union guy,I've always despised their politics and the hard feelings toward unions isn't because of the wages and benefits that they've negotiated over the years. It's their political involvement and some of the rediculous protectionism or "job security" guarantees that they've won through negotiations that have turned so many people against them.

NOW....with that said,Earl I agree with everything you said. And that might surprise a lot of you. But I've seen what happens to a community when the union jobs go away. The ONLY thing keeping the economy of our community going right now are the union pensions. When those retirees are gone,so is the economy around here. I never thought I'd say these things,but when the truth hits you right in the face everyday,you can't deny it. Everything going on right now,and it isn't just Wisconsin,there's talk of "privatization" going on everywhere,is NOTHING but a poke in the eye of the unions. It's just a shame that when they were in all their glory,they painted such a big bullseye on their backs with the greed and political ambition of their highest leaders.
 
Actually if you read the WHOLE issue, gov. Walker is leaving in discussions for firemen and policeman and only not negotiating with teachers, while in something like 9 other states ALL contract negotiating HAS ALREADY been eliminated. BUT WE DON'T HEAR NOTHING ABOUT THOSE!
 
I do pay for my own.
It was set up for farmers because farmers can't pass expenses on as they increase, like manufacturers or service industries do ... we take what teh market is paying. Most people also get the benefit of pooling for health ins. Farmers don't get that benefit either.
Personally, I'd like to see gov't. just get out of this kind of stuff all together... get back to what gov't was originally intended to do, not be a Nanny State and try to run everything, and lower our taxes in the process.
 
I just came back from our lodge's weekly retiree lunch at the local cafe here in our little town. Out of 8 guys there, 2 were farmers. 7 have union pensions, 3 UAW, 2 IUE, & 2 Ironworkers. Seems like the only folks with any money in their pockets are the retired.
 
Hey fellas! You would probably be talking German or Russian now if it wasn't for the unions. Most military plants were union during WW2. And they saved your big fat behind if you remember that far back. I do.
 
I can't believe Gov. Hitler, I mean Walker, is wanting to take away money from union workers, which the unions have agreed to, but hasn't taken a pay cut himself. Huh, it's easy to say "that guy is making too much". If he wanted to make a real statement about spending, he should have taken a paycut from his six figure a year paycheck, paid for his own taxpayer provided health insurance and pension. What ever happened to lead buy example????
 
I love the Big Union States makes all the businesses come to states like mine that have Right to Work Laws.Keep your Unions and your bankrupt states up North.
 
They are asking "farmers" to show up. If they get anyone, I suspect most will be card carrying union members who happen to own tractors.

I'm not going to even ask why it's such a problem for union members to accept a salary that's competitive with what they would get in the private sector and retire at 65 like the rest of us.
 
You would probably be talking German or Russian now if it wasn't for the unions.
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Can you remember as far back as WWI? Because I'm pretty sure factories came through then too, long before most were unionized.

Oh, and the Russians were on our side during WWII, in case you forgot.
 
try Iowa brainsted is drawing the inflated salary along with a pension of 50,000 dollars The least he could do is slack off the pension untill out of office. he run on lowering taxes but funny it is only for the rich. going to raise taxes on casinos and proably gas tax like last time. oh well the majority voted him in
 
why just the unions join the group maybe if enough show up they will get the message we are tired of getting the shaft, but then they have lobbists and our goverment is controlled by them
 
I can't make an opinion on what is happening in WI., but here in NY we also have a new Govenor who has already struck a deal withe the unions represention healt care providers and a lot of behind the scene negotiating has been going on with the unions that represent state workers. He publically chastised the salaries of public school superintendents, many of whom make more than him. Here in NY our schools are showing miserable results, and tenyeard teacher structure is the problem. (not based on teacher performance). The Teachers union needs to be BROKEN. If all the unions don't negociate with our Gov who is willing to, - 9800 jobs will be cut in April, not 1500 as reported. in WI. We also had the most disfunctional bunch of state senators and reps until the fieaskle in WI. It's my opinion, that the nnalert who fled WI should be impeached, because they arn't willing to stand up and represent the people who voted for them.I hope this doesen't get this thread poofed
 
I have a personal interest in the city workers here in Omaha Ne. and I'm here to tell you the blue collar working man for the city is not getting rich by no means and does not have all the nice benefits everybody seems to think.Now the Police and Firefighters different story they got the whole hog. Omaha actually has three unions, civillain workers union , police union and firefighters union. Seperate insurance ,seperate pensions, seperate wages yet they are all city employees.WHY THREE SEPERATE ?
 
I resent that remark. My state is better fianncial condition than yours and I don't know where you are. And we did it years before we hit oil. And we couldn't be much farther north.
 
> The bottom line is Gov. Walker campaign on this. Now he's just delivering on his campaign promise (who'da thunk it).

That's kind of the problem. He campaigned on cutting spending, but never made any mention of taking away collective bargaining or busting unions. The whole thing would have gone away if he would have agreed to consider Schultz's (nnalert Senator) proposed amendment before the nnalert left. Schultz's plan was to leave the budget bill as-is, just split off the collective bargaining bit for later. Unions would have agreed to the pay-cut, nnalert would have let it pass. It's failure to make any compromise that's blowing up in Walker's face now. A 55% disapproval rating is not very good for a guy that just won the election with 52% of the vote.
 
We had 70 degrees yesterdy how's your weather?Another reason businesses are headed South.(LOL)
Wasn't that nut case Pomroy your Congreesman for a lot of years?
 
Demographics, very low percentage of moochers, higher percentage of adults employed. I bet the crime rate is low and the student test scores are comparatively high.
 
Yea! Did you have to remind me. LOL ND is a nnalert state. But for twenty some (?) years we had all nnalert in DC. For years and years they were voted in by repulicans because they had the majority vote. We had two pretty ggod congressmen , Dorgan reired last year.Conrad retires at the end of his term.
 
If I remember the Russians weren't on our side until they realized that Germany was going to beat the tar out of them. They didn't have much choice.
 
Mr Walker is the one who said he won,t negoaite. Their is room for this but if you hace a dicatator trying to say what he believes is the only way it can be harmfull. Time to get the rich paying some of the bills instead of reaping very thing. I say put a penalty on them for importing goods from forein factories. As far as cheaper it is only in their hands Plumbing at Menards is still the same price and they are getting the money and we have to try and make inferior products work. how many times have you had them leak because threads aren,t cut right . sorry for the long rant
 
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