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Eastern Cougar extinct?

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RayP(MI)

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Wonder what it was my friend almost hit a couple years back... He swears a cougar.. Have Pictures of some awful big cat tracks in the road, taken a few days later. Gotta dig them out sometime.
 
I don't think so. I've heard many stories about cougars being alive and doing well in big cities like NY. From what I hear, makes me wish I was a young guy again. ROAR!!!

Mark
 
Here in SC, there have been many sightings of big black panthers. Our state DNR refuses to admit they exist. I have friends that have seen them.
Richard
 
Ray, I wasn't taking it any further, was just joking.

But on a serious note, I know that we have Pumas, which are supposed to be a smaller cougar on the Indiana/Michigan border, released by DNR to keep the deer population down. DNR kept denying it as live stock was being killed by them, and people had pictures of them. Was finally when a fella had one of his horses mauled when one got on its back, DNR claimed was doen by a wild dog. Farmer pointed out that dogs don't have five claws that matched up with the gashes that DNR finally admitted it. Then pictures and videos came out showing them.

Mark
 
Cougar, puma, mountain lion, catamount. Whatever you call them, they"re getting to be frequent guests here in western ND. Feasting on cattle, sheep, even dogs and farm cats. Must be too crowded for them elsewhere.
 
I have a friend who works for inland fisheries and wildlife. I was told IFW denies there existence to prevent regulations on trapping
 
Really don't think your lambs or my calves need any of that around here. If I see one,it's life is in danger. Need I say more?
 
Saw a pic awhile back taken by a trailcam belonging to a friend of a friend showing a rather large cougar/panther/whatever standing over a deer carcas having himself a nice meal. I live right outside Concord, NC and the pic was taken maybe 20 miles or so from me.

Had an Uncle that passed a few years ago that saw a 'black panther' standing beside the road one evening way out in the boonies. There were three others in the car that saw the same thing so it definately wasn't a case of him just seeing things.
 
They have been seen right here in the Twin Cities metro too. Several sightings.
A true success story - bringing those cuddly, fuzzy critters back from the brink of extinction.
Wait till they eat a couple of kindergardners or somebody's grandma. Then I hope those cougar lovers and wolf worshipers have a pang of conscience.
Cougars and wolves and bears.
Oh My!
 
Anywhere there is an abundance of deer, there are cougars. They are very sly. Been a number photographed around here, central Texas, with game cameras.
 
Guests ? No way, I have one living here ! I love him and think he is great (actually I have never been close enough to nnalert it). The starving deer heard is no longer hanging around the farmstead,the coyottes have moved on, the coon, badger and skunk numbers way down, pheasant numbers up. He never bothers the cows. Mostly I see him during calving, he likes the afterbirth. My wife feeds him leftovers. Sometimes we just hang out, me working on the equipment, him keeping an eye on the place. I fear, if someone shoots him, it will disrupt the natural order of things and a couple of youngsters without respect for anything will move in.
 
I talk to A man on my place the other day that has it lease for cattle grazing. He said he saw A panther in the pasture one day. I have never seen one on my place. He said he got A good look at it, and he knew it was A panther.
I live in E. Tx.
Belive it or not. ??????

Hammer Man
 
Agreed... If my llamas get there first I probably won't have to deal with it - just bury it.
 
i've seen a couple black panthers here on my place in se central Texas...first time i called the game warden to see about getting it trapped and moved...they came out.."investigated" threw his chest out and said no such thing as black panthers in Tx...AND it was federal offence to shoot or harras it...learned my lesson...shoot,shovel,shut up
 
We have been told no cougars too! Then we had a picture circulating of a cougar caught on a hunters trail camera near Kearney Mo. Dept of conservation said it was not a cougar, just a large Bobcat. Well Bobcats don't have a long tail - anyway, a couple months later a farmer in the neighboring county shoots a bonefide cougar - pictures and all - conservation dept comfirms it was a cougar. Now they are saying "all the cougars in MO are males - probably traveling through - no breeding population". Govt knows what is best for you to know!
 
I"m trying to think up things that would make 17 or 18 year girls old go for a 14 year old boy , and nothing comes to mind except real good looking? All I can say is lucky boy.
 
A co-worker said he had a cougar around his place. Went to both doors on the barn, looking for a way in to the goats I guess. Also heard from him that a friend of his saw a cougar so he called the MNR(Ministry of Natural Resources) and they said there were no cougars around here. Happened multiple times till he finally shot it and buried it. He said they came out because they knew something was up because they had a tracker on it and asked him where the cougar was. He said something like "Cougar? What cougar? We don't have cougars around here." Said he never heard from them again.
 
INDNR caught a panther on a trail camara last year in Greene County IN and i saw one on the edge of a corn field while walking it in Pike County IN and my buddy saw one supposedly standing in the middle of the road about a mile from his house the Sugar Ridge WFR area in Pike County IN so i believe their back for more
 
Maybe they have some extra ones in Canada that the U.S. Government can buy and ship in and disrupt the balance of everything like they did with the wolves here in Idaho. Everybody needs to have more predators around. LOL

Steven
 
Been kidding the better half for several years about her imaginary black panther. Doesn't matter thar her, 2 of the kids & a bunch of neighbors saw it at different times. The government says they don't exist so they must not.
 
> The government says they don't exist so they must not.

If your local government said they existed, they would be a protected species. You guys seriously need to learn when to stop looking your gift horses in the mouth.
 
The problem is that there is so much mis-understanding about wildlifes. I was in the wildlife field shortly after college and it is frustraiting to be a biologist dealing with experts who think they know so much. Yes there are some proven sightings in the Eastern U.S. including Michigan but 99.9 sightings are bogus. No breeding populations, just dispersals from increasing populations in the Dakotas, mostly the Black Hills, mostly male cats. Is it likely that there will be some breeding, most likely in future years something will happen somewhere, but most eastern states will never have anything even close to a breeding population. Even here in Michigan where there have been literally thousands of sightings thru the years only a handful of those are verified so the number of animals is very small. Is it likely that any of these are going to be problem, very unlikely. Did the DNR release them, no, not at all. Is there a smaller variety called Puma on the Indiana border that the DNR released, no that is complete nonsense.
 
Now if it had a tracker on it they could have found where it was buried. You said they came out because of the tracker so why didnt they find where it was buried???
 
My son and I saw one.The was a photo of one at the corner store.I moved here in 1966 and havent seen a black bear.Neighbor shoots one every year.I can say there are no bears here, neighbor knows they are here.Ive worked in the woods every fall and cut hay every summer and used to spend a lot of time hunting when I was younger.
 
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Wonder what it was my friend almost hit a couple years back... He swears a cougar.. Have Pictures of some awful big cat tracks in the road, taken a few days later. Gotta dig them out sometime.
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What I heard on NPR was that the true Eastern Cougar was extinct but that the Western Cougar has been gradually moving east and occupying some of the territory that had been occupied by the eastern cougar.

They also said there are still some sub species of the eastern cougar still around.
 
About 20 years ago a guy in my area said a black panther attacked his horse, although the guy was a loon and nothing was ever proven. That provoked a multi-county balck panther hunt and simultaneious sightings 100 miles apart on a daily basis for about a year. The USDA brought in wolf trappers from Minnesota that worked for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and they said the whole thing was a joke. Peoples minds can play tricks on them, a black house cat, black dog, coon, anything running across the road at night or in a field several hundred yards away suddenly became a black panther. Go on the Michigan DNR report cougar sightings website and look at some of the places people are seeing cougars, pretty funny.
 
THERE ARE NO COUGARS think what will happen to logging and any other kind of industry that takes place in the woods. Remember the spotted owl!!!
 
ive been hearing reports of "big cats" cougars, mountain lions whatever all across ohio for 5 years, and Ohio dept of wildlife confirms the mountain lions. all through pennsylvania and indiana also
 
Black panthers are alive and well, recently seen outside polling stations, in the Philadelphia area, known to intimidate voters, they are a protected class, protected by eric (my people!) holder. Word is, they all voted themselves back into existence, and twice for external_link!
 
No idea. Just telling it the way I heard it. I would imagine it would be hard to charge someone with killing a cougar that doesn"t exist. It might become public.
 
We were looking for a calf.We came out of a small patch of woods in the pasture,Son saw the cat out in the open,when I stepped out the cat turned.It went through a gate way.I got a good look at the cats hind end and long tail.He was about 100 feet away from us.We went to the gateway and found the calf standing to the left about 75 feet from the gateway.The first big shopping mall opened in Bangor so we went to have a look.They had a cage with 3 cougars in it .Since my son had a better look at the cat I asked him if these cats in the cage looked the same.He said yes.There were cougar sightings in Mass when I lived there.I went to the area and found cougar tracks near a railroad crossing.
 
Northern Maine is a vast wilderness with no roads,it never been settled .If a house cat can travel clear across the country a cougar can do the same.
 
No breeding population?I had a barn cat that had 3 litters a year,Were did those males cats come from?Big cats spray and mark just like house cats, female cats mark too.Its got little to do with territory.Its all about attracting mates.
 
Gov says the same thing about inflation.People are being squeezed by falling income and price increases.
 
There a big difference between a black house cats and cougars.We have educated fools who have no life experience.Ive seen one cougar in 73 years.Its said that there are no rattle snakes in Maine.My grand children were playing with some children and saw a good sized snake.The kids father killed the snake.He took it to the paper mill and showed to a fellow who had been on rattle snake hunts in western Mass.It was a rattler.A Maine bioligist well tell you that there are no rattlesnakes in Maine because thats what he was told in college.
 
To sum up just google cougar attacks on humans.The facts are there for all to see.While the attacks are in CA and Canada a big cat needs a lot of food and would have to travel long distances to find enough food.Coyotes come and go here.I hear them often at night for a while and then they are gone.I think they run out of food in an area and have to move on.Ive see just 2 coyotes in many years.A fellow showed me 2 others he had trapped .They were some type of cross bred animal not like those Ive seen before.in any case Idont like the sound of their yipping and howling.A woman was killed by coyotes in New Brunswick.She was out hiking.
 
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