Not sure I ever want to go to Paris France. I have a couple of nephews vacationing in Europe while they're single and can still afford to. They were first in Spain and enjoyed it with no problems. They're in Paris now. there is not a day there that they haven't had to constantly deal with pickpockets and scam artist. When they went to the WW1 & WW2 menorial there is a sign that says that the USA didn't do as much for France in WW1 as they want everyone to think. Real gratefull, how soon they forget.
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Anonymous-0
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It's the freedom of speech we gave em...... Usually not coming from the old folks. I go to France once or twice a year with a group from the Legion and we are usually treated like gold. Families still adopt soldiers' graves and visit/take flowers. Never been to paris myself but wouldn't want to go either.
Dave
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The French military has developed a new tank transmission. 1 speed forward and 6 in reverse.
showcrop
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I had to miss a tractor pull to go there about ten years ago. That really bummed me out. But then I saw a pulling track just to the west of the Louvre art museum. never saw any tractors though. Rome is much worse for pickpockets. I understand that it is a regular profession there. A fella in the group that we were in had his billfold lifted out of the buttoned pocket of his cargo pants.
Anonymous-0
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They would still be fighting in the trenches machine gunning each other if we hadn't come along to help. The French are so arrogant.
there is a sign that says that the USA didn't do as much for France in WW1 as they want everyone to think.
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The French didn't do as much for France as they would like everyone to think either. Their troops abandoned the trenches in 1917 and literally went on strike. The only thing that saved them was the German troops on the opposite side of the line were so accustomed to the static lines they didn't even notice the French had left (how’s that for fighting spirit?)
Without the American troops Germany would have won the war in the spring offensive of 1918. Without American goods shipped to the Allies the Germans would have won the war in 1916.
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The French didn't do as much for France as they would like everyone to think either. Their troops abandoned the trenches in 1917 and literally went on strike. The only thing that saved them was the German troops on the opposite side of the line were so accustomed to the static lines they didn't even notice the French had left (how’s that for fighting spirit?)
Without the American troops Germany would have won the war in the spring offensive of 1918. Without American goods shipped to the Allies the Germans would have won the war in 1916.
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Most of the French joined up with Hitler and the Vichy Gov't in WWII, probably why the Germans lost.
Chuck (CA)
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My best friend's father in law was in the Normandy Invasion and wanted to go there once more before he died (He passed away 2 years ago). So they went back and when the citizens found out who he was, the whole town threw a party with him as the guest of honor. You're right Dave, the old timers remembered what really happened. Like you said, he was treated like royalty.
The government could care less what we did and I've heard the same thing about Paris; rude, arrogant and look on the Yanks with disdain.
The government could care less what we did and I've heard the same thing about Paris; rude, arrogant and look on the Yanks with disdain.
Was in Paris in early '69 on a tour bus while stationed in Germany first intro was at the boarder the french ripped us apart in the middle of the night. Did all the tourist things and sights. Remember two things about the town dirty and streets lined with hoes. A third thing smog while up in the tower blocked out part of the city. Subway was nice and bright.
Aaron Ford
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Paris had undergone a transformation right before our trip. Green suited men came out at night and scrubbed the city clean. They had also undertaken a tree planting campaign. The City of Light certainly looked the part. We did all the tourist places. The Louvre, the Arc de Triumphe, the Sienne, the bars... Italy was beautiful, but they had pickpocketing down to an artform. I would go back.
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You forgot Paris Ohio
Paris, TX has no Eiffel Tower either, and not much else. I have no desire to see Paris, France. I wish I could have seen the Normandy beaches, but never took the opportunity while I was able. There is the story of the older American gentleman attending an event in Paris. He remarked that the last time he was in France, he didn't have a passport. A Frenchman accusingly asked why he entered France without a passport. The American's reply was " There were no Frenchmen on Omaha Beach to check my papers." Silence. It makes me angry everytime I hear the French complaining about the American presence.
huntingreen2day
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I can go for Paris Landing TN also. Great place.
Have been to Paris and France several times, and enjoy it thoroughly. Chuck is right- further north you go, the better they remember- often better than we do.
That said, no one goes to Paris for the Parisiens- they can be a rather obnoxious bunch. Pickpockets are everywhere in Europe- more in Rome as others said. Americans are known for showing up in herds with big fat wallets hanging out of their pockets- not smart.
You are far less likely to be physically assaulted overseas than at home, but you have to have a different system for your money. I never hit the streets with anything but a map in my back pocket- ONE credit card and ONE ATM card in front pocket and just enough cash in the other front pocket. If I'm in a crowded place, I have my own hand in my cash pocket...
That said, no one goes to Paris for the Parisiens- they can be a rather obnoxious bunch. Pickpockets are everywhere in Europe- more in Rome as others said. Americans are known for showing up in herds with big fat wallets hanging out of their pockets- not smart.
You are far less likely to be physically assaulted overseas than at home, but you have to have a different system for your money. I never hit the streets with anything but a map in my back pocket- ONE credit card and ONE ATM card in front pocket and just enough cash in the other front pocket. If I'm in a crowded place, I have my own hand in my cash pocket...
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"Saint" Paris, Ohio?
Plow Boy WRONG We have a 140 ft replica down to scale of the tower here in a city park. Suprised how many people check it out. Fish Fry big deal lots of people.. for us locals we try to get out of town that day early. Just kills trafic . Next time you come down stop at the KUBOTA dealer going in to town on the left.. That,s us. Jerry
WELL WELL You are giving me the big head.. Live in Two places and you are talking about both.
We maintain a hous in Paris (town) but then really stay out on the river Paris Landing)
Any time any of you guys get down sure qould like to meet you.. Really intresting to meet someone on here and see if they are as mean as they talk. My wife and I have made trips out west for the last 4 years and every trip I make it a point to look up someone on here. Made some great friends.
We maintain a hous in Paris (town) but then really stay out on the river Paris Landing)
Any time any of you guys get down sure qould like to meet you.. Really intresting to meet someone on here and see if they are as mean as they talk. My wife and I have made trips out west for the last 4 years and every trip I make it a point to look up someone on here. Made some great friends.
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So this sign was in English? Surely your nephews don't read French. It would be un-American to learn a second language. At any rate, I doubt the French government put up the sign, it was probably planted there by a prankster to aggravate American tourists. And whoever made that sign probably wasn't even alive during WWII, let alone the first World War.
That said, is it wrong? In WWI, the US was very late entering the war. Even after we declared war, our troops were delayed due to the influenza epidemic. (The military didn't see any sense in sending troops to Europe if half of them died before they arrived.) Once American troops arrived in France, nnalert wisely refused to send his men into the trenches. Pershing's decision meant that US troops suffered relatively light casualties, while an entire generation of English, French and German young men was nearly wiped out in the trenches.
In the second World War, our contribution was vastly more significant than in the first. But still, by the time we entered the war in late 1941, Europe had been at war for over two years and France had been occupied for a year and a half.
Much is made of the quick surrender of the French Army. But the French collapse had less to do with lack of valor on the part of the French soldier than the stupidity of their leadership. The French military leaders thought the Maginot Line was impenetrable, but the Germans simply drove around it.
I've never spent any time in France, but I've worked in many different countries around the world. I've found that wherever you go, people will treat you decently if you don't act like a total a--hole. Unfortunately that's a tall order for many American tourists. You can spot the Americans anywhere overseas: big bellies, wide a--es and uncouth manners.
That said, is it wrong? In WWI, the US was very late entering the war. Even after we declared war, our troops were delayed due to the influenza epidemic. (The military didn't see any sense in sending troops to Europe if half of them died before they arrived.) Once American troops arrived in France, nnalert wisely refused to send his men into the trenches. Pershing's decision meant that US troops suffered relatively light casualties, while an entire generation of English, French and German young men was nearly wiped out in the trenches.
In the second World War, our contribution was vastly more significant than in the first. But still, by the time we entered the war in late 1941, Europe had been at war for over two years and France had been occupied for a year and a half.
Much is made of the quick surrender of the French Army. But the French collapse had less to do with lack of valor on the part of the French soldier than the stupidity of their leadership. The French military leaders thought the Maginot Line was impenetrable, but the Germans simply drove around it.
I've never spent any time in France, but I've worked in many different countries around the world. I've found that wherever you go, people will treat you decently if you don't act like a total a--hole. Unfortunately that's a tall order for many American tourists. You can spot the Americans anywhere overseas: big bellies, wide a--es and uncouth manners.
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They're a number on here who seem to have the opinion "We are the greatest" even to the extent to claim the victory in WW1,denigrating the French effort in both wars and never being subjected to Foreigh invasion.
You seem a cocky lot, so to bring you back to reality I'll mention "Vietnam".
The wrong card played by American foreigh policy.
You seem a cocky lot, so to bring you back to reality I'll mention "Vietnam".
The wrong card played by American foreigh policy.
Well MarkB. I guess that my two Great Uncles that are buried over there from WWI and one Uncles from WWII are not much help for the French. I have been to France twice in my life. The biggest bunch of snobs and dirty people you have ever seen. The cities are disgusting. So I will take my wide A$$ and stay home.
As for the French soldiers? They are very good fighting men but have the worst leaders ever. They still can"t find a good one.
As for the French soldiers? They are very good fighting men but have the worst leaders ever. They still can"t find a good one.
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