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This is not said as a joke. But on the TV news they said... Algore said was asked about all this snow everywhere. He replied that the Snow has nothing to do with Global Warming... What does Warming mean????
 
Global warming has to do with climate.

Snow this year has to do with weather.

They are different, tho one relates to the other.

We humans don't understand either one very well.

Al Gore is a money grubbing idiot.

--->Paul
 
"Global warming" refers to the gradual rise in the Earth's average temperature. One snowstorm is hardly proof global warming does not exist.
 
A gradual rise in the earths temperature doesn't mean that man did it. I understand it's happened a few others times in this planets history.
AaronSEIA
 
The earth temperature from real measurements is warming. almost one degree at this point, and rising. These numbers are taken from real data gathering systems and are not at the whim of interpretation. The issue is where the warm is. It is in the Arctic And antarctic zones. (ask northern Canadians about warm. 12 to 20 degrees warmer than historic norms. Tundra, permafrost, and glacial ice the world over is retreating dramatically. The Columbia glacier is just the lack of the iceberg. From Wikipedia::::

Speed at the terminus reached a maximum of nearly 30 meters per day in 2001, when the glacier was discharging icebergs at approximately seven cubic kilometers per year; the glacier has subsequently slowed down, resulting in an increase in retreat rate. The terminus has retreated a total of 16 kilometers at an average rate of approximately .6 kilometers per year since 1982. Retreat has been accompanied by nearly 500 meters of thinning at the present position of the terminus. In the next few decades it is expected to retreat another 15 kilometers, to a point where the bed of the glacier rises above sea level. Tidewater glacier advance and retreat is not directly forced by climate (adjacent tidewater glaciers may be simultaneously advancing and retreating), but rapid retreat appears to be triggered by climate-forced long-term thinning.

Reality is that a single storm is not statistically related to the warming, it is a symptom of change. Dry where wet, wet where dry, colder where warm etc. Jim
 
Man, including Al Gore, don't seem to be able to take care of the small things. It would be wise to let God take care of the weather.
 
Weather stations are usually in the larger cities. The weather station for Louisville Ky is located at Standiford Field which has busy interstate highways on two sides, and the United Parcel hub on the third side. There are hundreds of thousands gallons of jet fuel burned every day there, along with hundreds of acres of concrete surronding the weather station. During the hottest part of last summer, the morning lows were at least ten degrees higher than they were out in the rural parts of the county. The daytime highs were also several degrees higher at Standiford than in rural areas.
Follow the money. Think of all the federal billions in grants to study the problem, and all the billions in solutions to fix a nonexistant problem. Joe
 
Jim at one time the whole earth was covered with ice is what I remember from school so what caused the ice to melt before. I don't think it was burning fossil fuel. Just wondering what your take is on it. Bob
 
Jim,

The failure of the temperature tracking data has been known and discussed for a long time. For the data to be accurate, the temperature measuring devices would have to be in exactly the same locations, without any changes to the environment in the area of the devices throughout the study period. They'd have to be read using a process that hasn't changed since they were installed. They'd have to calibrated to the exact precision that they had when the measurements started. The number of tracking devices could not be any different from the beginning to the end of the study. The calculation formulae used in the calculations would have to be static, and the reliability of the interpretation of the data would have to be without question.

None of those factors (nor many others) remain constant. The whole temperature rise thing is suspect at best.

Tom in TN
 
Couple days ago USA today ran an article about a professor at Univ Colorado who said between 1979 and 2009 sea ice of the approximate size of Alaska located up near Greenland had melted in that time period. This was an area that normally stayed frozen year round prior to 1979. There are quite advanced satelite photos available to monitor these things now along with GPS to know very accurately where you are looking on the planet. One wonders what caused all that melting if it did happen in that short a period of time.
 
There is plenty of corroborating evidence. The retreat of glaciers is one of the best indicators, since there's plenty of very accurate information going back over a hundred years, and it's not dependent on measurement instruments.
 
Guess I didn't post it. A Russian scientist says we are entering a cold period. Backs it up with the almost lack of sunspot activity data that we are now experiencing.Me? Gonna keep both a warm jacket and shorts at my disposal.Be Prepared !
 
Between the extremes of the Earths formation 4.6Bybce as the Earth was smashed into by the proto moon then settled down to our current system, and several cycles of hot house and freezing periods, several trends stick out. The first is that our sun is a long period variable star. The second is that that period seems to have an approximate 150,000 year period for major variation which also tracks the geometry of the orbital variations and pole drift. there is also a more recent trend for a more subtle oscillation of about 15,000 yrs between lesser glacier intrusions. The last was ~ 13,000 yrs ago.
The pattern would be expected to trend toward that lowering temperature and the first blush of an ice age (very slow, and 2 to 3K years of cooling to get there). The cooling trend has been noted from data gathered from ice cores, and other sources not dependent on human instruments, but that trend is bent in a hockey stick transition to warmer. The content reflected here is from reading (quantities of it) in science Journals, geology texts and Scientific American. Those who believe would rather not, but my head is too blunt to allow me to stick it in the sand very deep. Jim
 
Isn't there something I heard them say on the History channel the says about the earth every so many thousands of years changes its orbit pattern, and the changes the force it adds to the axis tilt ? Don't it seem odd that the most violent earthquakes we have seem to be when the "wobble affect" changes ?
 
You guys are behind the times, it's not global warming anymore..... that didn't work out. Now it's [i:d23a80b3d5]climate change[/i:d23a80b3d5], they can take your money no matter what the weather does now.

It's kind of like selling basketball tickets to someone that thinks they are going to a football game. When they come back to point out the facts, you tell them it's all sports.

If nothing else good comes out of the current economy, I hope we quit funding these idiots that can twist anything into a crisis.
 
Well said, Jim.

The say the difference between truth and BS is that the truth is true whether or not you believe it. It's certainly attractive to believe that global warming is a hoax and won't affect our children and grandchildren, so we can go on business as usual. But to do so is to ignore the preponderance of evidence.

Anyone who doubts the existence of global warming should take a look at these photographs.
Receding glaciers
 
Do you think that Almighty GOD would allow mankind to destroy HIS creation? GOD will destroy the earth, not man.

The scum of congress would want you to think that global warming is real so they can control your life for you. Because they cant get real jobs so they steal from you.
We had a very cold summer 2 years ago, remember.
 
I'll get my science from scientists, not from bible-thumpers, thank you.

I spent many hours in Sunday School, and I don't recall once being taught that God will bail us out if we decide to trash our planet. Plenty of bible verses about being good stewards, though.
 
Global warming was manufactured out of whole cloth by america hating leftist's, Al Gore emerged as the lead spokesman because he is a dupe for the far left. The intent is to cripple the world economy to gain power over people. Plain and simple.
 
read your Bible some more it says the Earth will
be worn out and a new Earth will be created by God after the end of Times to replace this Earth.
Not saying its true or not but if you're going to use the Bible to prove something get your facts right.
 
To pretend that what we release in to our atmosphere cannot effect our environment is irresponsible.
Just the fact that the old type freon is known to change the Ozone layer is fact enough.
The crime is to use such a fact to gain political notoriety.
In other words, it is not the message that is wrong, it is the messenger.
Gore's own actions are not in step with his platform.
 
I have to agree, after all, 10,000 years ago the very place I live was under a 1 mile thick glacier. That in itself must prove global warming, except 10,000 years ago, I doubt that too many internal combustion engines were used. Wonder if they burnt coal to generate electricity back then?

Meteorologist say were are entering a 30 year cold cycle and we should see temperatures similar to the 60's and 70's. That cold cycle gave us dire predictions of a coming ice age. The end of this current "warm" cycle gave us dire predictions of global warming. I see a coincidence and a scam.
 
The Earth has always cooled(Ice Age) and warmed
(evidence of Palm Trees grew in Anartica)at times in history and its climate is ever changing so why would it suddenly stop changing now? Climate change is as natural as
Volcano eruptions and we humans have about same ability to control one as we have to control the other. The Climate change rhetoric these days is about $$$$ and Gov't control over the people not the climate.
 
I think you are looking for your climate info in the wrong place. many on here can tell you the right way to shoot, skin and cook a squirrel but that doiesn't mean they know jack about the worlds climate.
 
OK the earth is warming. It has done this before. It has also cooled before. No one has yet told me if this is a good or bad situation. Could it extend growing seasons. I think most of the replies are right. It comes down to $$$$$. People have found a cause to make money on.
 
The old type of freon (R-12) having an effect on the ozone layer has already been debunked. The so-called hole in the ozone layer was found to expand and contract naturally over time. Alot of money was made for some people who promoted the new freon.
Jack
 
Right, the glaciers are retreating in certain places. In Switzerland they found a Stone Age mineshaft where a glacieer had retreated. That tells me that the glacier had retreated at least one time in the past. I guess all the cavemen caused the glacier to melt and then refreeze.
 
I find it funny that people trot out the idea that man releases enough Freon to affect the ozone. Los Angeles is a city loaded with Freon for AC (it is a bit hot) but guess what they have there too, ozone alerts - because there's too much.

While Freon may affect ozone levels it obviously can't have too much of an effect.
 
I'll say this, the way our country is headed, We all got alot more to be concerned with than this MYTH of global warming. Oh, excuse me, ClimateChange, or whatever they call it now.
Jack
 
That would be accurate if there were no prevailing winds and the Earth was static. But it is not.
When something is released in to the atmosphere, it is impossible to know exactly where it will go, but chances are it does not go straight up and stay there.
In case you did not know, the prevaling winds in the US are from west to east. I know it is hard to believe but just watch weather maps. Winds are what steer weather systems.
Just like we can affect water quality with what we release, we can also affect air quality.
Ozone depletion is real, Al Gore and some of the ones that bark about it for money are not real.
 
To show that I am man enough to admit when I am wrong or have wrong information, here is a link to support the fact that Freon absolutely cannot affect the Ozone as it cannot get there due to being 4 times heavier than air.
This proves my point of what is bringing down this great country, GREED. What some companies will do in order to make huge profits.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/environment/ozonefreon_fraud.htm
 
how those "america hating leftists" got the glaciers to receed, plants to bloom earlier or animals to migrate or nest earlier is still a mystery to those science hating rightist.........
 
palm tree fossils in Antartica(and the Canadien Arctic) is mostly a result of continental drift. The ancient landmass that Antartica once belonged to- Gondawanaland- once straddled the equator.
But you are right. Antartica's climate is changing- its calving off massive ice bergs as it melts
 
a red herring actually. No one says the earth will be "Destroyed", it will merely become uninhabitable for a large number of species, perhaps including ours
 
youre talking about 2 types of ozone here. anthropogenic low level ozone vs. stratospheric. The depletion on the UV blocking high level ozone is the cause for concern
 
You answered your own self -- nobody on this earth got the natural world to do what it has been doing since time immortal and will continue to do long after we are all gone.
 
Clorine based flourocarbons photo-chemically alter ozone into O2, letting in harmful amounts of UV. Basic science. Your claim the R-12 is not harmful and the link between it and ozone destruction has been "debunked" is not based in reality.
Or do you have a reliable source for that claim??
 
So the glacial "bowl" that I saw with my own eyes West of Estes Park Colorado. Melted 1700years ago. What caused that? Cave men with hot fires in their caves?

Gene
 
it also claims(if you believe everything it says at face value) that it is at the centre of the solar system (the Bronze-Age temple scribes who wrote it didnt know of anything outside what they could see with the naked eye), that it is about 6000 years old, and worse yet, its flat & square!
 
The theory of Snowball Earth posits that the earth was covered in ice at one time in the Precambrian (roughly 2500- 540 million years ago) and was released from the ice by massive volcanic eruptions that warmed the atomosphere over a few million years. Natural global warming writ large!
 
Charlton Heston: One of the very, very (very, very) few Hollywood celebrities worthy of respect.

Dean
 
Thankfully, the temperature of the earth has been trending upward for around 20,000 years since the last "ice age" began ending. All of the SUVs, incandescent light bulbs, coal fired power generation plants, etc., etc., conceivably made by mankind will have absolutely no effect upon these trends.

Hopefully, this trend will not reverse itself anytime soon.

Dean
 
YES, the earth's climate fluctuates over geologically short periods of approx. 10-15 K years, no argument there. What is different is that our civilization has arose during one of the inter-glacial periods and unfortunately, weve based our culture on burning fossil fuels and carbon based materials. We are atlering the climate by pumping massive amounts of carbon into the ecosystem that evolved in a natural equilibrium and are on the verge of overwhelming it.
Any Meteorologist who thinks the planet (not locally isolated trends) is getting colder isnt reading any data. The "dire warnings" of a coming ice age are usually traced to an article that appeared, not in a peer reviewed scientific paper, but in Time magazine.
That said, it is TECHNICALLY correct that the earth will more than likely cycle between ice ages and warmer intermissions far into the future, its just as, if not more than likely over the next few centuries our actions will make the planet very hot and very unhospitable for many life forms. When the next ice sheets wipe our cities off the map our possible decendants probably wont be around to see it.
 
http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore/16993/more-cosmic-rays/edward-john-craig


Basic science Huh? Wrong. The SUN and it's activities, are the cause for practically everything that happens on this earth, as far as climate change is concerned. R-12 causing the hole in the ozone layer to expand is NONSENSE. The "Hole" has been expanding and contracting forever. You are just buying into another scam, that in the end, means just more money ripped out of our wallets.
Jack
 
In all dead seriousness,it's just pure politics and I'm a H*LL of a lot more concerned about the FACT that solar activity has been at such a minimum for better than 2 and a half years. The temperature of the sun has been droping for all that time and it IS getting colder. We'd D@MNED well better be thinking about calving later than we have been,growing shorter maturing corn,things like that. Last time this happened was over 300 years ago in the last "little ice age".
 
It’s all O2 and you'd think that where the Freon is where the O2 wouldn't be - if the claims were correct.

The stratospheric O2 is primarily affected by the chlorofluorocarbons released in massive amounts by volcanic activity. Primarily because volcanic activity releases thousands of times more CFCs by weight than man has ever produced and the blast effects of volcanic eruptions eventually sends the gasses to the stratosphere.

The US government's war on R12 has had the same effect on the ozone layer as the **** I took this morning and flushed down the toilet will have on raising the ocean levels.
 
When ever someone says that this or that is not good for us or the country just follow the paper trail and see who is going to make money by the change or not the change what ever the situation may warrants.
Bob
 
I think the point is that yes, there are natural warming cycles, but man's releasing of greenhouse gasses is speeding it up.

We've all seen evidence, on both sides, produced by propogandists (sp?) on both sides, to support both theories (natural vs. manmade). I'm still unsure what I believe.
 
I read similar articles like that years ago. The fraud is easy to see with the help of the internet. I don't think it's no secret now, that most most main stream media sources are just propagandists for the government. It's always something that's going to end mankind that they push on us. The coming ice-age they talked of in the early 70s, The ozone hole in the mid to late 80s, And now of course, this latest hysterical B/S of global/climate change.
Information is out there to show what B/S all of this is. But it seems the majority of people just eat this garbage up. They won't question it.
It all boils down to money and power. They take our money, and increase their power.
Jack
 
Agreed. Freon gas is 4 times heavier than air and does not "rise" to the Stratusphere as many claim, its like saying granite floats in water.
 
Yeah, the little ice age. That little item is totally overlooked by that stupid "HockeyStick" graph we used to have thrown in our faces.
Jack
 
solar activity fluctuates along with sunspots.There is a lull in flares, but we should get some uptick over the next few years as the pendulum swings back and I'll see what i can do about the attendant Aurora Borealis (Australis for any "down-under types) displays.
The warming we are experiencing on this planet is in the lower atomosphere as predicted if it is caused by human activity, not thruout the column, as we would if the sun were causing it.
 
Only problem is the glaciers quit retreating 11 years ago.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2010/09/21/is-the-ice-getting-thicker/#comment-1364

http://www.twawki.com/?p=9379

Antarctic sea ice reached its annual maximum in September. September 2010 was the third largest sea ice extent on record (2.3 percent above average), behind 2006 (largest) and 2007 (second largest).
 
Actually, it is the entire world's "war on R-12" . The Montreal Protocol to be exact, and it is working. Ozone levels are expected to return to normal levels by the 2050's.
As far as your morning constitution affecting sea levels,I guess it depends- you HAVE installed a Low Flush Toilet, haven't you??
 
Basic chemistry to be exact! And yes, the ozone hole fluctuates naturally, but our CFC's caused it to expand to never before seen size.

Ah, yes, GREAT link- that bastion of scientific knowlege, The National Review
Has the NR ever printed anything that is counter to its political stance? That makes the Heston clip almost seem relavent....
 
(quoted from post at 22:51:38 02/03/11) The earth temperature from real measurements is warming. almost one degree at this point, and rising. These numbers are taken from real data gathering systems and are not at the whim of interpretation. The issue is where the warm is. It is in the Arctic And antarctic zones. (ask northern Canadians about warm. 12 to 20 degrees warmer than historic norms. Tundra, permafrost, and glacial ice the world over is retreating dramatically. The Columbia glacier is just the lack of the iceberg. From Wikipedia::::

Speed at the terminus reached a maximum of nearly 30 meters per day in 2001, when the glacier was discharging icebergs at approximately seven cubic kilometers per year; the glacier has subsequently slowed down, resulting in an increase in retreat rate. The terminus has retreated a total of 16 kilometers at an average rate of approximately .6 kilometers per year since 1982. Retreat has been accompanied by nearly 500 meters of thinning at the present position of the terminus. In the next few decades it is expected to retreat another 15 kilometers, to a point where the bed of the glacier rises above sea level. Tidewater glacier advance and retreat is not directly forced by climate (adjacent tidewater glaciers may be simultaneously advancing and retreating), but rapid retreat appears to be triggered by climate-forced long-term thinning.

Reality is that a single storm is not statistically related to the warming, it is a symptom of change. Dry where wet, wet where dry, colder where warm etc. Jim
Click to expand...

Keep looking for the thermostat for the sun so we can adjust it down a degree or two.
Have you bothered to chart the varying output from the sun? Here's a hint, hotter sun = hotter earth.
These "climate change" scare mongers who are closely related to the cold war disarmament protestors of the past.
 
So heavier that air freon gas, rises up to eat the ozone? Right, You are just the kind of person who eats this nonsense up. Yeah, you just go ahead and discount anything that affects your worldview. You could be shown article after article, but it would not matter. Go back to sleep, Your government is on the case.
Jack
 
I found it interesting that, as glaciers began to recede rather quickly in Switzerland, they left exposed old forests of pine trees with over 400 growth rings and old silver mines with the miners tools in them waiting for the miners to come back. The Swiss were very upset because they were losing their precious ski slopes and were on the verge of trying to get the USA to cough up some money to compensate them. After all, this global warming has to be caused by the US. After seeing those old forests that had been quickly covered up and the old silver mines, they have quieted down somewhat.
 
Too bad there are such things as wind and rising plumes of warm air that tend to bring along all sorts of heavier than air particle with them. Ever see a dust mote suspended on the wind? It is far heavier than the surrounding air molecules yet they can carry it by their relentless motion to the far limits of the atmosphere, much like a far lighter CFC molecule
 
I would hazard to guess that folks who consistantly turn to wild-eyed conspiracy theories when confronted with basic science that contradicts what they wish to believe are the ones whose reasoning is more suspect...
 
Mount Pinatubo, on the island of Luzon, erupted massively in June of 1991. It injected more toxic matter into the atmosphere than all of man's activities for as long as man has been on earth. Aerosols from this one eruption, and there have been many other eruptions in the past, formed a global layer of sulfuric acid haze. Global temperatures dropped about .9F during this period and beautiful sunsets were observed for about two years afterward. Today, it's all but forgotten.
 
I know'd one of these days I would agree with you on something!!! :)

I never understood the whole climate change debate myself. Not much to debate, of course the climate is a change'n. Seems like most every August is hotter than January.
 
Now Bill, When you start throwing facts out there like that. You are going to cause people like Aroura, to be far more confused than they already are. I remember that eruption, Buried and put Clark airbase out of business.
Jack
 
"Those climate change scare mongers who are closely related to the Cold War disarmament protesters of the past."
Hmmm, Maybe thats why the UNITED STATES DEFENSE DEPARTMENT is busily making contingency plans for dealing with climate change caused refugees..........
Brilliant!
 
Right, That one and all the other thousands of volcanic eruptions over time, like all the other emissions. Man made and natural. Eventually get consumed by the earth's atmosphere. But to professors like you, a trace gas like CO2 (Less than 400 PartsPerMillion), of which humans are responsible for a small amount of the total emissions. Is going to turn the planet into a fireball. Yeah, we have really jumped to your side.
Jack
 
Straight up,global warming is just a political catch phrase to mean militant environmantalism. Nothing more,period. It has nothing to do with the climate or temperatures. Case closed.
 
true, the atmosphere will EVENTUALLY right itself, it will just take a few centuries, and most climatologists agree 400ppm is pretty much the tipping point (we are a tad over 380 and steadily rising).
Once we reach that point and the permafrost starts out-gassing en masse, we are pretty much trapped in a cycle of uncontrollable global warming.
I would love to have this conversation again in 40 years with you and be proven incorrect, but right now, as we understand the underlying science, your side is not supported by the facts
 
Case. There's nothing to think about. Obviously you aren't old enough to remember when the same people were warning of a new ice age for the exact same reasons. They had the same statistics to PROVE that it was real and happening right before our very eyes. I would direct you to what I believe was a Time Magazine article from about April 1978. It was political then,it's political now. This whole load of crap started because two so called scientists,with a federal grant to study their new ice age theory ran out of money. They couldn't get their grant renewed and were going to have to get a real job,so they said "wait a minute,we think we made a mistake,we think it's getting warmer. We need a grant to study it". They were smart enough to get politicians involved the second time to keep the gravy train running. It's just like the Y2K crap,but there was an actual date to prove that crap wrong.
You mentioned in another post that the military was making relocation plans because of global warming. They had plans for Y2K too didn't they?
WOW,the government's involved in a hoax! I'm TOTALLY SHOCKED!
 
Yep, musta been all them SUV's that caused the glacier to throw off that 'berg that sunk the TITANIC!!!!! You got me convinced! NOT!
 
Y2K was a hoax too?

If you knew the first thing about computer programming, and saw some of the code out there before Y2K, you'd know that the possibility of disaster was very, very real.
 
With that kind of logic I guess I should get to work building that granite raft. With all the BS you're spewing it might just float.
 
CO2 levels have been rising and falling on the planet since forever. It has already been shown that temps don't necessarily rise with increases in CO2. Even your hero AlGore recognizes that.
When you use the term "Most Climatologists agree", You are flat wrong. I guess you haven't heard of ClimateGate? Proof was shown that these so-called scientists LIED and colluded together in this big lie. Believe what you want, hey, the EasterBunny is coming in a couple of months, get your basket out Jr.
Jack
 
380ppm CO2? I just ran the calibration gases for the Dragers at work. 300ppm is atmospheric CO2 around here.
Of course the orfice you have you head stuck up is just loaded with CO2, methane and hydrogen sulphide.
 
yes, "Climate gate" stolen and selectivley released emails purported to show some sort of conspiracy.
Investigations exonerated all of those involved. Ho-hum
 
Oh yes, an "Investigaton done by their peers" I'm sure that was a proper investigation. That's why a couple of the LIARS involved quietly resigned.
Jack
 
Time magazine is not a peer reviewed science journal, and I do believe the loony right wing propagandists were responsible for 99.9999999999 of the Y2k hype so they could sell gold and seeds on their short-wave radio shows, you know, the same ones who believe AGW is a conspiracy, flouride treatment is really mind control and President external_link was born in Kenya!

How much of that survivalist fantasy "non-hybrid seed" did you get scammed into buying?
 
It should be no secret that many politians from BOTH sides are simply the conduit for their buddies to dip in to the government coffers of our tax money.
It takes big money to develop the proper perception so that they get elected. Those big money people want a return on their "investment" and get it.
 
Yeah, We see where you're coming from. You are nothing more than a leftest kook, that doesn't like to have his "Religion" questioned. Man you girls get nasty when that happens.
Jack
 
Actually a granite ship would float given enough surface area.I guess by your logic, steel ships cant float either, they are obviously heavy (some have even been known to carry granite slabs!!!).
Maybe you think the Egyptians pushed their limestone blocks down the Nile from the quarries to the delta when it froze over?
Oh, thats right, given you propensity for conspiracies you probably believe that ancient astronauts built them and that Anthropologists and Egyptologists are engaged in a massive conspiracy to cover up that "fact"!
 
You're nothing but a d@mned worthless hypocrite. You ask me if the case is closed or if my mind is closed? Yet there you sit with a closed mind. Already made up that this hoax is a fact. There's no point arguing with some political dimwit like you. Open your eyes,you're handlers are making a d@mned FOOL of you.
 
actually, the folks who typically invoke religion in this issue - i.e. "What, me worry? my god/gods will save me!" are almost exclusively from the far-right.
Although there IS a small yet growing faction of religious folks who are beginning to see this as an issue of being good stewards of the planet and leaving a habitable world for future generations.
 
I'm willing to admit I may be wrong, but the science AS WE UNDERSTAND IT AT THIS MOMENT seems to back me up. Maybe there is some paradigm-changing law we havent discovered yet that causes us to misinterpet everything around us. Sounds far fetched, I know, but remotely possible (nothing in science is EVER 100% certain).
Now, could you ever concieve that maybe YOU are wrong? If the myriad lines of evidence wont convince you that you perhaps dont know better than the entire scientific establishment, what would?
You seem totally, 100% sure that you cant be wrong, and that, my friend, is the classic defintion of a closed mind....

And I didnt even have to resort to school-yard taunts!
 
When you use the term, "Entire scientific establishment" You show right there, that you are out to lunch. You make it sound like there is a total agreement among scientists that this hoax YOU believe in is real. While in reality land, there are plenty of scientists that say GlobalWarming/climateChange is a big pile of baloney. It's nothing more than a big money scam. I would find it really funny, except this SCAM is going to lead to a downgrade in our entire standard of living. I'm amazed, with all the info out there available, people still believe in this garbage.
Jack
 
Yes, there are plenty of scientists who dont believe in global warming, but they are typically not involved in climatology research or any remotely related discipline. That confusion is my fault for not being specific.
Do you take advice from a radiologist when analysing soil samples or go to a proctologist for oral surgery?
Then why would you take the opinion of a scientist with no training in a certain field of endevour as being a relevant voice? Being a scientist or having a degree in a specific field doesnt make you an expert in all fields!
Those that do do research in pertinent areas related to climate do overwhelmingly agree that the planet is warming and there is a measurable degree of anthropogenic forcing.
 
Is your tractor a GREEN tractor Mark or dont you own one cause it might harm the air and water.

I am a good steward, I dont dump my waste oil on the ground.....I burn it.
 
Al Gore is nothing more than a con man grifter. The stumblebum Gore has made over 100 million dollars selling his LIES about global warming bull$hit.
 
It's a waste of time Jack. His trainers have a name for people like him. They call them useful idiots. We should all take the words of noted scientists like Al Gore as gospel.
 
Your example is proof in itself. The emissions of the airport is creating artificially high tempuratures. The tempuratures of weather stations not located in such areas are also on the rise, just not as much. That is why the you have to look at tempuratures as averages, then as a whole.
 
algore is not a scientist, merely a speaker on the subject, a messenger if you will. He is only relating to the general public the consensus of the scientists working in fields of study related to climatology and the soundness of that science neither rises or falls upon what deniers feel about algore's persona.
Yes, we too generally have a word for climate change/global warming deniers- theyre called Faux News watchers!
 
if you are truly getting 300ppm on your instruments, perhaps they need a careful re-calibration.
The planet hasnt had such a low concentration of Co2 since around the Victorian age!
380ppm is the standard average and that measurement is 4 years old and a tad dated. No doubt it has risen since
 
aurora, You must be just stringing everybody along as a joke? Just to see who all will take the bait?
There's no way you can really believe the al gore dog and pony show.
I hope you have more morals than to be using the "climate change" propaganda as a lever. To enable yourself to gain power,control or profit.
 
??? either your instruments are wrong, youre not reading them correctly or.....MY GOD! ITS ANOTHER CONSPIRACY!
 
When Al Gore begins riding a bicycle "everywhere" he goes, and moves into a "grass hut",... I MIGHT start taking his BS a little nore seriously.

Even "if" the earth IS "warming", that has to be better than if it were "cooling",... crops don't grow worth a hoot in ice.
 
Tsk, Tsk. Of course you realize that when all you have left to argue with is a lame attempt to cast aspersions on my "morals", you've pretty much lost the argument?
OK, I'll play along- of course I'll become fabulously rich and powerful by convincing some old guys on a obscure (but fun!) discussion board about AGW. Isnt that how everyone gets rich?
Seriously....
 
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