Deere 4040 VS New Holland TL100

Ok....looking at tractors, Cab and loader....I have found a 4040 deere, 2400 hrs, loader, cab. Sharp tractor.

Also a New Holland TL 100, 4wd, cab, loader. Both are supposed to be a 100hp tractor (roughly) but....is new HP equal to old HP? Seems to me the 4040 could spank that New holland....any input???

Deere is about $8000.00 less.....

In my past research on buying newish tractors I found that new vs. old HP depends on the fuel delivery system. Meaning if the newer tractor has a electronically controlled commonrail fuel system than it is better than old. The engineers build in torque rise when needed and the motors are more economical on fuel because of the electronic management.

However, if the newer motor is still an old mechanically governed injection pump then it is very similar to older motors.

A 4040 with only 2400 hours (are you sure that the hours are correct?) sounds like a good deal to me. $8000 difference buys a great deal of repairs.

Which dealer are you better acquainted with or later on can you get better service from a JD dealer or NH?

Just from the info given I'd probably go with the 4040 and get a new air conditioner (if you live in warm climates) right away with the money difference and be good to go.

If you have mud and or snow and get the FWD and use it to do loader work you will not likely look back on your decision. You will probably wonder why all loader tractors do not have FWD.
My 2 cents,
Andy

FWA on a loader tractor vs. 2wd makes this a no-brainer... go with the NH.

Aaahh geez,what can I say. I bought a 4040 brand spanking new. Had almost 13,000 hours on it when I traded it off. They were 90 horses and really didn't act like they had any more than that. Keep in mind how much I loved that tractor,but my old 1850 Oliver would out pull it.
Don't know anything at all about the New Holland,except that it's no doubt newer,but I'll tell you the problems I had with the 4040 over the years. It had a Quad Range transmission. When it was 9 years old,it started jumping out of gear. Had to have 8 new gears put in the transmission. The next year I had to have the engine overhauled. There's a two speed powershift unit in there that lets you shift from 1-2 and 3-4 without clutching. That unit went out on me. Wasn't cheap. The final straw that caused me to trade it off,I was running the PTO and went to shut it off and it wouldn't stop.
The service manager told me to take the valve apart on the side,that there's a little lever in there that,usually when it breaks,the PTO won't start up,but thought mine had hung up keeping in engaged. That wasn't it. I traded it off and let the dealer figure it out. Didn't want to have to pay to have it split a third time.

Go with the Deere. It'll guzzle more fuel doing light work... or most work... but it will certainly whip the TL's as$ into next year. They're not even the same class of tractor. TL is light and about 80 PTO hp. 4040 is heavy and 90+ on the shaft. Two entirely different leagues.
If you were comparing a NH TS100 or TS110 I'd say it'd be a dead heat in terms of ability.

Rod

It depends on what you will be using it for the most. If it's tillage I would go with the JD but if you are going to use it more for loader work then the NH would be my choice hands down. Like Andy said in mud a FWD is almost a necessity with a loader. After owning a 4020 and many saying they were one of JD's best I've been very unimpressed with JD tractors but still 8 grand is a lot of money.

We have a trail groomer that uses a NH around 100 hp 4 cyl. We also have a massy around 80 hp Perkins 6 cyl. I do not remember the numbers of these tractors off hand but the massy will run rings around the NH. They both pull the same groomer. Ive never driven a tractor that will fall flat on its face as fast as the NH. You have to keep it right against the governor and be ready to shift quick. No lugging power at all. I cannot imagine 5 18s behind that NH.

(quoted from post at 14:22:32 01/28/11) I cannot imagine 5 18s behind that NH.

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I can't imagine a 5-18" moldboard behind a JD 4040,especially in the soil where I live.

If the NH had shuttle type trans and I wanted a tractor mostly for loader work I'd pick the NH.

For mostly tillage or pto work I'd pick the JD.

I'd go with the TL100....fwa modern loader tractor with shuttle trans against a full frame row crop 2wd with QR....

New Holland for me...

TL100 is 82 PTO HP

I think the 4040 actually has 3600 hrs, I was looking at my notes on the wrong tractor. the 4040 has been converted to R134A already. I am fimiliar with the 40 series deeres, we have a 4440 already.


Dad is leaning more for the newer stuff (new holland, Mc Cormick, ETC) but I prefer the 4040.

This tractor is replacing a 5400 deere, FWA, loader, no cab. It just wasnt "heavy duty" enough for me as a loader, and I think that the TL100 will be the same. The TL100 we looked at seemed to be a lot lighter than I thought it would be.

The TL won't be quite as big of a turd as the 5400 but it's still a turd... I'd not think it sufficiently stronger that it would represent any upgrade. The 35/TL series tractors were more or less the competing series to the 5xx0 series Deeres. The 40/TS series Ford/NH's were the competitor to the 6xx0 series Deeres.
For loader work I'd not be struck on the 4040 but I think I'd still take a 2WD 4040 over a MFWD TL100. Fronts on those TL's are not great. TS will be somewhat heavier. Simply having a heavier chassis to ballast against the loader will tend to save their front end a bit of wear and tear....

Rod

if you needed 8 new gears eather you do to much shifting the ranges on go or your dealer saw you comming