pto issue

Lee in maine · Jan 20, 2011

I have an 8N and I need to engage the PTO for the 3 point hitch to lift up - is this common????

armand tatro · Jan 20, 2011

Who ever designed this tractor had a silly notion that this was the way to make the hyd. system work. Bad idea. One of many reasons I will not own an N series Ford. I have been told that even with bad design a few people are proud of them. Armand

old · Jan 20, 2011

9N,2N and 8N are all that way no PTO spinning no 3 point hitch. The yd pump sits under you and it run off a cam on the PTO shaft so it has to be engaged and clutch pedal up for the hyds/3 point to work. Ford changed that when they came out with the Jubilee in 1953. So yes your tractor is working just like it was made to work

DeltaRed · Jan 20, 2011

That system follows Hennry's(and Harry's)philosify of simplcity..it worked!And,that the technology of 'the day'.In fact,it was cutting edge.One more thing,for your protection(and your loved ones),ALWAYS keep the pto cover installed when not useing the pto.

Dean · Jan 20, 2011

The non-live hydraulic pump in your 8N tractor is driven by the PTO shaft. As a result, the PTO must be engaged for the hydraulic system to function.

Contrary to the uninformed opinion of Armand below, the hydraulic system of the 8N was revolutionary when designed nearly seventy-five years ago. Many features of the system were quickly adopted by nearly all other manufacturers immediately after the Ferguson patents expired in the 1950s, clearly demonstrating the merits of the system.

Dean

massey 333 · Jan 20, 2011

That wasn't Fords deal,Ferguson designed that system and was carried over on the 8Ns,hence the lawsuit.Like Old said Ford went live in the 53 Jubs.but MF never went true live until the 1960s sometime.

Mike (WA) · Jan 20, 2011

Actually, I believe that running the hyd. pump off the PTO shaft was simply the most convenient from a design and economic standpoint. Live PTO requires two stage clutch or other more complicated arrangement. Since nobody else had a live PTO at the time, they probably didn't think it was worth the extra effort and cost.

Brian G. NY · Jan 20, 2011

I"m with you Delta; as much as as it is maligned today, the 9N was "cutting edge" for the time.
Remember, this was over 70 years ago!
As I recall it was Oliver or Cockshutt that had the first real "live" PTO. That was maybe in the Late 40s or early 50s?
They were way ahead of their time as well.

old · Jan 20, 2011

Ah but Henry Ford didn't come up with the system Harry Ferguson did then he and Henry had a falling out and then Harry sued Henry and that is why the 8N had the improved system with position and draft control that way Harry could no longer sue Henry because Henry's system was different then Harry's system was. But yes for the day and time it was the next best thing to sliced bread

willie in mn · Jan 20, 2011

Close, but a few details missing. Actually, Henry Ford I died in 44 or 45, Edsel, his son had also died. The fight started in 45 or 46 and was between Harry & Henry II, Edsel's son(Henry I's grandson). He found out that buy supplying tractors at a set price, he had lost over 16 million, but Harry, who did the selling to farmers & supplying implements, had made around 9 million in profits. And to top it off, Harry's actual name also was Henry, but he didn't like that name.
Will look through my library tonight so can quote references for this info.
Willie

old · Jan 20, 2011

What can I say I'm going by what I have been told over the year by people like my dad who lived in those days and others that lived back then. I knew I was at least in the ball park with the story but as story's go they always seem to get thing mixed up

fixerupper · Jan 20, 2011

Back in those days the Ford Ferguson system sure did beat lifting the implement by hand. Jim

buickanddeere · Jan 20, 2011

Trade for a tractor with features suited for 2011.
The tractors in the era when the N series were designed. They were intended to be used with horse implements. No live pto or live hydraulics on a horse.

Brad Buchnan · Jan 20, 2011

Never saw a three-point hitch or draft control on a horse either.

The N's were superbly engineered and remain useful machines to this day.

But sorry, dude no usb port so no twitter or facebook.

Brad

buickanddeere · Jan 20, 2011

I was just saying for just about the entry level amount of money. One is better off with a 1950's/1960's designed tractor eg Massey 135. Rather than a warmed over late 1930's ford N design.

armand tatro · Jan 21, 2011

That,s my opinion and I am sticking to it! I am in complete agreement with B. & D. on this topic. Better than farming with horses but not by much. Had a landscaper trying to unload 4 in. dia. B&B shade trees from my truck in the rain and on mud-slick asphalt. Had to chain behind the bucket because running the chain over the cutting edge made the tree too heavy for hin to lift. What a commotion; him slipping and sliding on that wet blacktop! At least in the next post or two down it does appear he has one modern tractor that has some 21first century comforts so not all is lost. Armand blacktop!

Brad Buchnan · Jan 21, 2011

Armand, you are truly an amusing fellow. 21st century comforts indeed. I just had an image flash in my mind, You in a class A motorhome with a loader installed looking very Thurston Howell the III. Sitting in the cabin with a long cigarette holder and a golf hat. With Lovie in the background opening a new package of twinkies for tea!

Sorry, Brad

armand tatro · Jan 21, 2011

Brad: You and I seem to think alike except for two items. I have never smoked and I wouldn"t be caught dead in a golf cap! {Rather be working on old and rusty iron than chasing a silly little golf around an 80A. field!} {By the way you are maby better that n me with the computor.} Other than that I agree with your assesment of me. Now if Henry or Harry would have just mounted a crankshaft dirven hyd. pump on every Ford tractor of that era to run all the hydraulics instead of just the loader they would have been lightyears ahead of the competion and I would have at least one good empression of them! Looking forwardd to hearing from you in the future again! {For what it is worth couldn"t figure how to erease the blacktop word after my name last night. Was afaird of losing the rest of my thread.} Armand

Brad Buchnan · Jan 23, 2011

Armand, You are pretty much stuck with what you post unless you want to delete the whole kit and kaboodle.

I guess I bought my 8N not because of the money, but because I had some memories of when I used one in my teens.

One of the most vivid memories is when I snagged a old rusty barbed wire fence with a hammerknife mower behind an N. 3 hours or so in the heat on my stomach working with a rusty pair of pliers to sort out that mess!

I have operated some of the most modern equipment and am impressed with it's speed and power. I also enjoy plowing and cultivating with my 26 hp Ford pullin' hard and needing a bit of handling to do it's work.

Guess I don't think the lack of the live pto is a make or break because I learned to use a tractor without it.

Just put in a small apple orchard last summer and am lookin' forward to seeing those little trees sprout this spring. Here in way upstate NY it is not supposed to break zero today.

Thanks for the conversation,

Brad

armand tatro · Jan 23, 2011

Brad: My oldest tractor is a Farmall F30(when the PO repowered it with a Buda 6 cyl. diesel engine the S.N. was lost so I can"t nail down year it was built} 2 1941 Farmall M, another M, Oliver 88, HD7G Allis track loader, Big 4 FWD/cummins engine, shop built FWD/with F30 power train powered with a 4-71 Detroit Diesel, 2 70hp. Kubota diesels/FWA, a Farmal 560D, and a M&M M5. Also a truck mounted Cook corn sheller and some John Deere #6 corn shellers and other implements and loaders. I have not met a tractor, truck, or implement that i have not thought about upgrading or improving to meet my needs. I am from Ashkum, Il.(I57 exit 292) You all enjoy the day. Armand

Tx Jim · Jan 24, 2011

(quoted from post at 22:17:40 01/21/11) Brad: {For what it is worth couldn"t figure how to erease the blacktop word after my name last night. Was afaird of losing the rest of my thread.} Armand

Armand
IF I decide I want to or need to change something I've posted I just go back to the post click on edit change what I think needs changing and hit submit. Works for me.

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