Allis or White?

Doug in IL · Jan 5, 2011

I'm looking for a tractor, mainly for spraying and hay work. I have looked at White 2-105's and Allis Chalmers 7000's. Cab tractors. Which would you prefer and why?

John (C-IL) · Jan 5, 2011

The Allis will be easier to find parts for and are more common unless you are in one of those White hotbeds.

glennster · Jan 5, 2011

my neighbor has a 7060 allis, good running machine. i ran it this fall with a 5 shank ripper. comfortable cab, been a good tractor for him. 160 hp, turbo intercooled, decent horsepower , can be had for under 10k. heres a pic

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Vernon in Ks · Jan 5, 2011

No comparison. The White is a superior tractor in every detail. Parts for either can be had at any AGCO dealer.

bison · Jan 5, 2011

I would pick the White hands down,better fuel economy and easy to fix

One only has to look at the size of the AC service manual and the hydr complexety on the critter.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 5, 2011

Early model 7000's had trouble with reverse gear, the shifter would not let it go all the way in reverse. AC had a better cab. Other than that, flip a coin.

Eric in IL · Jan 5, 2011

A friend of mine has two A.C. tractors which I have driven several times. One is a 7060, the other a 7040. The 40 has powershift and will attempt to eject you from the seat to the hood if you depress the clutch pedal all the way to the floor while going forward. I don't know if all powershifts were this way or if his tractor has a problem. His 60 has a power director transmission and it is hard to get in gear. Again it may be a problem specific to his machine.

The cabs are the most uncomfortable of any cabbed tractor I have ever been in. Washing either of the two lower right windows from inside the cab is nearly impossible without a squeegee on a two foot long stick. The steering wheel cannot be moved to a position for me to get into the tractor easily. I will admit I am not a small feller though.

His are both diesels and the fuel shut-off works backwards to any other diesel I have run.

I have never driven a White, but have been in a few and the cabs are far superior to the A.C.'s.
I do have quite alot of seat time on a couple Olivers, a 1550 gas and a 1750 diesel. Neither had a cab and both were a pleasure to operate.

It is only MY opinion, but I would run from the orange and jump in the silver colored one.

DBAF · Jan 5, 2011

I would have to go with the 2-105,I have had four of them.Easy to work on,good power for size,easy on fuel.The worst thing about them is the cab or fenders on the open stations IMO.

Grampy · Jan 5, 2011

I own a 7060 w/power shift, have not had the problem Eric mentioned with the power shift, however, the high/low range can be hard shifting & the shifter has a poor detent setup and there is"t much "feel" to it. Everything Eric said about the cab is dead on ! The only reoccuring problem on the tractor are the remote & 3 point cables and linkage, every season I have the control stand apart at least once. All that being said, the only other real problem I have had with it was a worn out injector pump. Thanks to the power shift it is even a decent loader tractor. hope this helps, Ken

Aaron SEIA · Jan 5, 2011

It's doing that because it has a tranny brake in it. Only push the clutch down till you feel another spring start to give some resistance. You're gonna wind up making that tractor very hard to get in gear if you keep doing that. Not scolding, just passing along some info.
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Eric in IL · Jan 5, 2011

Aaron

I can't feel the second spring that you speak of. I work around the transmission locking up by shifting the powershift all the way down to first gear then sneak the clutch down until I can detect a slow down in speed. Then I quickly shift to neutral and get my foot off the clutch a.s.a.p.

I just have to remember to start shifting down well in advance of where I really want to stop. I don't like having to do all the down shifting. That probably is more stress on the tranny than is necessary, but I feel it is a better option than locking up the back wheels at 18 mph.

I forsee happy days when that machine goes bye-bye.

olliekid · Jan 5, 2011

the white 2-105 is a superior tractor. the 354 perkins is a great engine and the 2-105 was and still is a very popular tractor. parts for it are easy to get too

Anonymous-0 · Jan 5, 2011

I used to work for an Allis dealer who also carried White, felt like running and hiding whenever a White came in to the shop. I have to wonder if any of you guys that say the White is easy to work on have ever worked on an Allis, JD, IHC or anything else for that matter. Look for an Allis Chalmers.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 5, 2011

And yes, I own and use a 155 White that I inherited, but try not to hold that against me. In my opinion it would not hold a candle to a 7060 in most any catagory. When the grey Whites came out they would outpull ANYTHING in thier hp class and NOTHING in thier weight class.

Aaron SEIA · Jan 5, 2011

Just use the powershift to slow you down. That's how I run my dad's 7060. The only time you ever need the clutch is to get the range in gear, to start rolling, and to get into reverse. Otherwise, shift and throttle. I'm thinking you are overthinking how to use the tranny. A 105 white is only going to have a 3 speed powershift and will frewheel in underdrive. The AC is a 6 speed powershift that is connected in all gears. A 301 AC will run circles around a White and probably burn less fuel doing it. I'd rather have the White cab myself.
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rrlund · Jan 5, 2011

The 2-105,hands down going away. First off,try to find a 7000 Allis with air? Not easy. They were big and cumbersom,and yes,I've used them. Can't beat the 354 Perkins in the 2-105. Agile tractor built on the Oliver 1850 base.

BANDITFARMER · Jan 5, 2011

2-105 hands down. After working on both and running both, The 2-105 is a nicer to run and operator and to see out of. After replacing 2 hydraulic hoses under the 7060 cab (4days and torching the cab floor) and the air quiting and roasting in it for the hay season (3 weeks on parts), It found a new owner. Ive had 1550 1850 2-105 and 2-135 and they are the same to run. Very comfortable to run and operate and a lot shorter hood to look over. Bandit

bison · Jan 5, 2011

yes i have worked as mechanic by a independent AG outfit on White,JD AC IHC and a host of other brands domestic and foreign.
There is a good reason i own only cockshutt(white) myself.

olliekid · Jan 5, 2011

aaron i dont see any allis chalmers running circles
around a white 2-105.

Rick Kr · Jan 5, 2011

Never had a problem with my AC7000. Nice cab, radio, heat and AC. I underworked mine I'm sure, mainly pulling a 13 foot disc, tree planter, and an occasional V ripper.

I read all sorts of horror stories here and from other sources about all the problems with the red belly (early) 7000's. Maybe I got the lucky one that was built good. Doubt it though. There are still a fair amount of 7000 series AC tearing up Mid Michigan, both red belly and black belly.

Sold mine off, kinda miss it, but didn't have a use for it anymore.

It would pull like a champ especially with duals, calcium in the inner rear tires, and front and rear steel weights.

I did test out a 2-105 when looking at my 7000. Controls and cab layout wise I didn't see one that was better than the other. But I only spent about an hour in the White.

Rick

JDseller · Jan 6, 2011

Doug !!!! Run Don"t walk away from an AC 7000. That cab door and backward step is just an indicator of how basacwards these tractor are. I had to use a AC 7000 for a neighbor that broke his hip. He broke it falling out of the awkward door. The gear shift started out under the seat and then was bent forward about eighteen inch then came up between your legs. You where always catching your leg or foot getting in or out of it. Road rough and had a very narrow cab. There is not much room in them. They also don"t hold up very well either.

I have ran several White 2-105s. They are good with the Perkins diesel. They sell very well around here. The 105 was the best in the series. The cab was much better than the AC cab. Just try getting in and out of each a few times in coveralls.

The White 2-105s will bring 9-10k around here in good shape. The AC 7000 or 7010 will cost less.

Doug in IL · Jan 6, 2011

Thanks for all the help guys! Looks like I need to start a serious search for a good 2-105.

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