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For Building a new 50 Million Dollar plant in China!! Nice to remember who bought your products for the last 100+ years and made you what you are today.
 
Hey,they'r are just doing what everybody else is doing,besides that,they have had a plant in Germany since the early seventies.
most JD 2 whl drive and front assists i've worked on where German build.
 
And for refusing to believe that there are farmers with less than 1500 acres. Nice combine line, one to fit every operation. As long as you've swallowed every other farmer in a 5 mile radius. I've never seen a company so interested in eliminating their normal customers.
 
Got that right. There are about half a dozen names on all the dealers in Michigan. Chain stores with no personality or owners present who give a d@mn.

I know I'm gonna get in BIG trouble,but when did that ever stop me. It just amazes me how big of a hypocrite people will turn into when you go after THEIR sacred cow,no matter what or who it happens to be. All I can do is sit here and chuckle.
 
Nationalization.. I ment to include a comment as to when it might happen. As soon as China political leaders want sole control, most likely?

Not good long term? ag
 
Largest tractor markets in the WORLD? China and India. Why WOULDN'T a successful corporation go after their share of the pie? If John Deere was as close-minded as many obviously are, and depended entirely on US markets, they may well have gone belly up like so many producers have in the past. Times are good for ag product producers right at the moment. That hasn't always been the case, and based on past history, there's a good chance Deere will see rocky times in US sales again. They're building a strong, diverse business, not playing up to people who can't understand corporate success isn't all about a small percentage of the market.

Deere, among others, was in foriegn countries producing equipment before many of us were born. This is nothing new at all. The brands that refused to see foriegn markets are long gone. Even SOME of those who went abroad are names of the past. But rest assured, no matter how much we DON'T like it, any company that WON'T participate in "the world market" is destine for failure.

Deere didn't get to be Deere by crawling in a cave and pretending world events weren't what they are.

Don't like it? Go buy yourself a brand that DOESN'T build product "off shore"....Oh wait....THERE ISN'T SUCH A BRAND.
 
Are we forgettihng how many years Yanmar has been building smaller tractors for John Deere or the plant in France and others that have already been mentioned? Hey guys lets get with the program, John Deere is not a total american company and has not been for many years, but they have been able to sell an image of the past for a very high price for many years to the shrinking american farmer who is no longer the leader in agriculture in the world volume of production. OH lets keep pattinmg ourselves on the back with the facts of how many people one american farmer can feed, it is not that importent to the rest of the world since our costs are so out of control we cannot compete in most high dollar crops anymore. If it was not for corn and wheat we would just about be out of the game. sorry but reality bites.
 
I doubht that there 6 independent dealers in Michigan. All the ag stuff has been taken over by D&G down here. Lawn tractors are still sold by a few smaller dealers.
 
If I recall correctly, there hasn't been a US made tractor under 100 hp since ford shut down the Romeo, Michigan plant in the 80's. 30? years?
 
Why would they build it in the US? Why would anyone willingly build a plant and staff it with UAW employees?

The biggest market is overseas and the strong dollar policy of the US makes it extremely hard to export. While there are small farmers in the US there is still a massive number of USED small tractors on the market everyday that the new ones have to compete with on price. I'm 43 years old and have never bought a NEW small tractor in my life and probably never will. I have 4 brothers that farm full time - not one of them has bought a new small (80hp or less) tractor in their lives either. Now that I think of it, other than a few rich "horse ranchers" I don't think I've seen a real live farmer buy a new tractor with less than 50hp in the last 20 years.
 
So, is Deere not supposed to do all it can to stay competitive and stay in business?

Would you rather Deere try to source everything from the USA, go bankrupt, and cease support of all the stuff they've made over the years?

Funny I don't hear complaining about companies like International - who was just that. Across many nations.

At least Deere is still its own company. Maybe the only one left?
 
I worked for IHC advertising thru the 1960's and the first time I became aware of IHC having a MFG.facility out side the USA was when a new McCormick B275 showed up one day for photo work to add to IHC's Dealer Brochure offering. Never saw one or heard of any till then.Wasn't too bad of a strange little Tractor either. After that I became aware that IHC had been Mfg. tractors and Machinery overseas for a very long time going back to the 1920's.
 
If I got it correct, it is online before the union contracts come due.

If you want to blame Deere for large equipment, I would suggest you think about what the farmer welfare progrqam has done to the little guy.

hen they hire all the dudes from down acros the border so they get cheap wages to boot.

Our government can't seem to operate in the black, but who pays the taxes to help put the numbers into the black again.

Those union jobs are gone, so OUR PROBLEMS will get worse. I know of one Deere worker that by working on Sat, he only put a few dollars in his own pocket. He was very fortunate to have that type of job, but that has gone by the wayside now.

It is not a true report, because many of JD componets already have labor involved in the figure, but Deeres labor cost is like 9-12%. This also probably does not reflect the research and development part of the cost either.

Like my great grandpa, and my grandpa, dad, and well everyone says---we haven't seen the last of our problems yet.
 
There are some companies that refuse to go public and they survive perfectly well in the US. If you're not trying to feed an over priced board or a bunch of stock holders and just take care of your employees it seems to work well. You also don't have to go union. China and some other countries don't pay any attention to trade agreements so why shouldn't we close our borders. if you take jobs or business off shore then you sell that stuff off shore but it costs you more to get it back in the states.
 
Some countries require a certain amount of local labor and material be a part of a product sold in their country. Deere experienced this in countries such as Argentina, South Africa, and Spain to name a few if my memory is correct. I would imagine the Chinese would be cagey enough to require the same for anybody setting up shop over there. There is a market of nearly 2.3 billion people to be tapped into between China and India and those unfortunately are the areas where the economies are doing best and probably will be doing best going into the future. Can't blame Deere or Case or AGCO if they wanted to tap in.
If people have not read the book by Wayne Broehl about Deere and "A Corporate Tragedy" about IH before the merger they should. It's not 1955 in the farm equipment manufacturing business anymore.
 
My JD 5303 utility was made in India. If I remember correctly, I could have gotten a comparable US made version, but it was $8-10k more. I didn't have an extra $8-10k.

Juast a basic tractor, but man I love it. At least Deere is still US-based. I think the FEL was made here.
 
Between D&G,Fillmore and Bader,they have most of'em. Yes,I know there are a few others,but no single location family owned stores that I know of.
 
I remember reading that at one time Oliver was shipping tractors into Canada and the Canadian government requires "some assembly" in Canada,so they shipped them over there with no decals and put them on after they got there.
 
> Would you rather Deere try to source everything from the USA, go bankrupt, and cease support of all the stuff they've made over the years?

Exactly, you can't blame the company for playing within the rules of the game that's been set up for them. If you don't like the trend, find a political party that doesn't support free-trade (hint: not one of the major two).

I think you have to give Deere a lot of credit for keeping so much manufacturing in the USA and Germany over the years. So many other companies went for cheap labor over skilled labor, Deere and CAT have kept a good balance and that's why their still doing so well.
 
Does this mean the JD plant in Mannheim Germany will close? I used to drive buy it every day in 1970 1971 1972 and 1973.
 
I see biacch that your following me around. Did I make a fool of you or something? You can use your name, they probably already know you're a fool, most don't like me to say something, but give it a day-year and I'm usually proven right.
 
Yeah, I forgot to mention that the (recently closed) plant in Welland, Ontario that Deere had was placed there because of Canadian restrictions. I think it was in operation prior to the Great Depression till this last past year.
 
Following you around? Are you nuts? Did you make a fool of me...? You ARE nuts, aren't you. Usually proven right? Nuts AND delusional too! No, I just like making fun of narcissitic loons. And that my friend, is just what you are.
 
I hope I'm not hijacking your thread too much, but along that line, I just read this evening that some US companies are avoiding building factories in Mexico and instead are building in the US because of the Mexican drug war. The companies are looking at the safety of the people working in their plants. This year 11,000 people have died in Mexico in drug fights. Jim
 
Hey, you guys forgot a major John Deere business. They will loan you money for your new equipment. Guess who gets the first chunk of your crop pay check guaranteed to them. In this area there about three JD dealerships that wanted to sell OR HAD to sell. So JD gave the offer to the local big JD company at a cut price to buy. The good part is the buyer is a local family that is expanding and give good service I think.
 
I'm not saying I like companies building new factories in other countries, but China is a huge and growing market. Deere is just doing what makes good business sense. What they build there will most likely be cheap versions of what is made here and it will be sold there.

Not that Deere hasn't been shipping more stuff out of the country, but they still make large tractors in Waterloo, IA, combines in Moline, IL, lawn tractors in Horicon, WI, backhoes, crawlers, skidsteers and forestry equipment in Dubuque, IA, loaders, graders, ADT's in Davenport, IA, cotton pickers in Des Moines, IA, escavators in North Carolina, compact utility tractors in Augusta, GA, planters & seeders in Moline, IL, and I'm sure I'm missing some factories (sprayers, air seeders).

Deere is a good American business and they know that near term growth markets are not in North America, they are in South America and China.
 

All the construction equipment is built in either Dubuque, IA or Davenport, IA execpt for large 4WD loaders (Liebherr rebranded) or large excavators (Hitachi rebranded).

I use to be a design engineer on backhoes, skidsteers and crawlers in Dubuque.
 
Western society,Japan and Korea. All have enjoyed a much better standard of living when a majority of the population is working middle class. Unlike the year when there were a few very wealthy and the rest poor peasants.
Hopefully the country of China will undergo a quiet revolution and into a capitalist society with a comfortable middle class.
 
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