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ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER

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Detmurds

12-08-2010 18:14:13




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Can one of these be modified to work on a Ford 641 Workmaster? Or do they make them for tractors?




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buickanddeere

12-10-2010 03:33:13




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to aurora, 12-08-2010 18:14:13  
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True.
Water carries more heat than oil so an oil heater needs more surface area per watt.
A 1000W 240V heater supplied with 120V will make 250W.



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Detmurds

12-09-2010 22:13:27




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to Dean, 12-08-2010 18:14:13  
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Wow, how cool, I will check it out tomorrow at my local auto parts store! Thanks!



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BillinCentralMo

12-09-2010 18:57:23




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to Detmurds, 12-08-2010 18:14:13  
I bought one at the auto parts store and it is a magnet that attaches to the oilpan. Have used it a couple times when it was subzero and it worked well. Cost about $40.



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Detmurds

12-09-2010 16:30:35




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to John M, 12-08-2010 18:14:13  
I guess the best thing I can do is just heat the barn instead of just the tractor! Thanks Folks!



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jdemaris

12-09-2010 05:50:41




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to Detmurds, 12-08-2010 18:14:13  
A grid oil-pan heater is easy to intall and works very well. Attaches to the bottom of the oil-pan. You can get them up to 1000 watts.

http://www.padheaters.com/

But why bother? Install a 750-1500 watt coolant tank heater and it will heat that little engine up in an hour.

I had to install a pan heater on an 85 Subura I had, otherwise it would never start below zero.
I could not get a coolant heater installed, so I attached a flexible "pad" heater to the oilpan. 750 watts and it worked great for a few years until I junked the car.

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MarkB_MI

12-09-2010 02:43:35




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to Detmurds, 12-08-2010 18:14:13  
Changing to a thinner oil can make a huge difference with these tractors. Using 10W-30, my Ford will start easily down to at least -15F. (It has been converted to 12 volts.) With 15W-40 it wouldn't crank below zero.



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JDseller

12-09-2010 00:20:11




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to Detmurds, 12-08-2010 18:14:13  
Those dipstick heaters don"t help much. Not enough wattage. I own a JD 3020 diesel that the previous owner had taken the oil pan off and took a franklin waterer heating element and epoxied it to the bottom of the pan on the inside. It heats up great and does not seem to harm the oil.



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135 Fan

12-09-2010 10:50:17




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to JDseller, 12-09-2010 00:20:11  
Everything I've ever read says not to use a water heater element for heating oil. A water heater element can be used if you cut the voltage in half, ie/ use a 220 element on 110 current. Otherwise it too hot for oil. Dave



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JDseller

12-09-2010 00:20:08




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to Detmurds, 12-08-2010 18:14:13  
Those dipstick heaters don"t help much. Not enough wattage. I own a JD 3020 diesel that the previous owner had taken the oil pan off and took a franklin waterer heating element and epoxied it to the bottom of the pan on the inside. It heats up great and does not seem to harm the oil.



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135 Fan

12-08-2010 21:27:57




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to Detmurds, 12-08-2010 18:14:13  
If the different types of engine heaters were rated according to how much they help, a dipstick heater would be at the bottom of the list. Dave



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WA-Hal

12-08-2010 20:03:14




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to Detmurds, 12-08-2010 18:14:13  
Years ago, I had a dipstick heater that I used in old flathead Plymouths. It helped a little, but was not nearly as effective as the headbolt heater I used to replace it. But I haven't seen a headbolt heater for sale for a long time.

For the OHV Ford hundred series, I have had good luck with installing lower radiator hose heaters. They install in that hose by cutting it in the right spot to place the heater as close to the water pump as possible, and then seal it in with hose clamps. You do almost have to drain the coolant to install the heater. But once it is installed and the coolant refilled, all you need to do is plug it in. (And remember to unplug it before you drive away!!!)

My lower radiator hose heater on my 641D will get the diesel engine warm enough to start like Summer if I plug it in for an hour or so at 0 degrees. Diesels start much harder in cold weather than gas engines. Good luck!

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buickanddeere

12-08-2010 19:24:03




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to Detmurds, 12-08-2010 18:14:13  
The wattage is low and the heat is applied to a concentrated area. The oil can coke and the dippy thingy burn out. Is it better than nothing? Yes. Is it a whole lot of assistance, no. On a borderline start, yes they will make a wee bit of difference.Enough to start. Just install a proper coolant heater and use synthetic oil.



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chucksoliver77

12-08-2010 19:00:57




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to Detmurds, 12-08-2010 18:14:13  
i forgot to mention that i had synthetic oil in the truck, sorry for the goof, chuck



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chucksoliver77

12-08-2010 19:00:57




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to Detmurds, 12-08-2010 18:14:13  
i forgot to mention that i had synthetic oil in the truck, sorry for the goof, chuck



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chucksoliver77

12-08-2010 18:48:03




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to Detmurds, 12-08-2010 18:14:13  
i would 10-30 mobil-1 synthetic. i use 15-50 in my oliver 77 and it starts no matter how cold it is. in 2002 when i was snowmobiling in canada my 2002 powerstroke set for a week @ -20f and it started without being plugged in, made me a believer. chuck



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Detmurds

12-08-2010 18:41:55




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to Old Roy, 12-08-2010 18:14:13  
Thanks fellas! If there are better ways, please share? I have it in my barn in Washington State, which is nothing like back east or my home of Michigan!



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LenND

12-08-2010 18:31:09




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to Detmurds, 12-08-2010 18:14:13  
It should work as long as it will fit down the tube. BUT make sure it is long enough that the heating unit is completely in the oil in the pan.



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VicS

12-08-2010 18:27:55




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to Detmurds, 12-08-2010 18:14:13  
I think they are hard on the oil(gets it really hot in one spot) but sometimes I have used them. They work on anything with a dipstick, or a way to get them in the oil. I like the magnetic ones better.



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VernMI

12-09-2010 04:50:31




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to VicS, 12-08-2010 18:27:55  
Yes they are detrimental to the oil especially if the surface temp of the heater goes above 320F.



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rustyj14

12-08-2010 18:27:27




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 Re: ELECTRIC DIPSTICK/OIL WARMER in reply to Detmurds, 12-08-2010 18:14:13  
I used to drive a car that had a small 4 cylinder engine, and here in PA. the thing wouldn't turn fast enough to start, if the temp was in the lower single digits! The electric dip-stick saved me in really cold days. I'd leaave it plugged in all night, and next morning, that little engine would turn like a summer day! Never found any extra oil diminishing. I kept the plug in the grille, and i could just yank it off, get in and start it. And, it didn't take near as long to get heat from the heater! I had a 30 mile drive to and from work.

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