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For me, it was a IH 230 with the fast hitch.
With any implement mounted, it was next to impossible to keep the front wheels on the ground.
Wheelies galore.
On top of that, one brake needed lots of foot pressure to notice slowing, the other brake locked up and slid the rear wheel if you glanced that-a-way.
In it's defense, it didn"t jump out of 3rd gear going downhill like my 850 Ford does.
With any implement mounted, it was next to impossible to keep the front wheels on the ground.
Wheelies galore.
On top of that, one brake needed lots of foot pressure to notice slowing, the other brake locked up and slid the rear wheel if you glanced that-a-way.
In it's defense, it didn"t jump out of 3rd gear going downhill like my 850 Ford does.
By far our worst tractor was a new 2010 Diesel JD rowcrop, It would just put out 38 hp on dyno, and when the fuel was turned up the hp went down. Our second worst was a 350 Diesel utility IHC. the motor vibrated so bad you couldn't keep the hood on. and it broke into at least twice in the adapter to make the continental engine work. We bought the 350 first then the 2010 then a 801 Ford diesel, it was a fine tractor plenty of power and no trouble.
Dad had a Farmall 400. The cylinder head cracked more than once, the TA went out, the block cracked out by the rear main bearing, and the rear end went out twice. Other than that it was a nice tractor. When the rear end went out the second time while cultivating corn, he walked home, went to town and traded for a new 706.
Guys, JD 4630, it was a 150hp absolute Gutless Wonder. Our 72 5020 was twice the tractor it ever hoped it would be, it just didn't have a quiet cab with AC / Heat and radio! Poor overall balance when pulling a 7 bottom lister plow. (When we still row watered) We had hard time keeping it cool till we replaced the factory steel radiator with a new copper one!
The only place that tractor did well was on grain cart duty. It could bring a tandem axle A&L 650 bu grain cart, fully loaded from the far end (1/2 mi) away in high gear to the trucks at the other end of the field. It really shined in this operation, just not much of any where else.
Later,
John A.
The only place that tractor did well was on grain cart duty. It could bring a tandem axle A&L 650 bu grain cart, fully loaded from the far end (1/2 mi) away in high gear to the trucks at the other end of the field. It really shined in this operation, just not much of any where else.
Later,
John A.
id have to nominate those made in china junkers that are sold by northern equipment, i know 2 people that bought one and both are very dissapointed in the power and fit and finish , certainly not the little fords [ see my post below] which while pushing 60 plus years of age are still working with parts to suport them too, there good as long as one remembers they are a little tractor not a firebreathing powerhouse
IH 674, gutless engine ( our supposedly MF 168 had a lot more torque ) Bought new in 1977, after only 3 days it was leaking oil into the clutch housing. It had countless problems with TA, PTO, clutch etc.The alternator caught fire ( I put the fire out, but on reflection I should have let it burn ).
During the late 70"s the quality and reliability of the IH tractors built at the Doncaster works fell away dramatically and never really recovered totally which caused many devoted IH enthusiasts here to change brands. Even the IH dealers across the road from the factory got sick of them and it was one of the reasons they went onto Fords!
During the late 70"s the quality and reliability of the IH tractors built at the Doncaster works fell away dramatically and never really recovered totally which caused many devoted IH enthusiasts here to change brands. Even the IH dealers across the road from the factory got sick of them and it was one of the reasons they went onto Fords!
Anonymous-0
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was not too gutless if it could drag a 650bu loaded grain cart in road gear.
Anonymous-0
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My 86 Cat came with a steel core rad but when I had it recored, a steel core wasn't available and I wasn't about to ask Cat for a price on a new rad. The shop said copper would give better cooling but wouldn't hold up as well. They said dipping the rad in solder? would increase the strength somewhat. I think it cost me 2 or $300 extra to have it dipped. They had a name for the dipping process but I can't remember. It cost $1100 total to have the rad done. Dave
colekicker
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Back in 2005 I got to drive a new Kubota utility tractor. By far the worst tractor I have ever driven. If you lived in Canada, you would love this tractor. It poured so much engine heat into the operator after running it for 30 minutes, I had to get off and put my head under a water faucet. I was about to have a heat stroke. The absolute worst tractor I have ever driven.
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A Farmall F-14 and a 44 Massey-Harris
larry@stinescorner
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JD 2010. My father had one, bought it new., had a lot of problems,with the shifter, Got rid of it bought a mf 135 and my brother still has it than later he bought a ford 3000 diesel they were both great tractors
fixerupper
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That 4630 would have had a power shift to be able to be able to get up to road gear with a loaded cart. We used to pull two 900 bushel grain carts with 4630's. They both had reinforced drawbars. One had the power shift and the other had a quad. Both tractors were gutless, but at least we could get the powershift up to sixth gear before running out of power. The one with the quad would poke along in fifth because the gutless engine couldn't get it rolling in a faster gear.
To their credit, both tractors were really tough, with 15000 hard hours on each one with the pumps turned way up. They just had to be revved up to get power. That 404 was a durable little engine. Jim
To their credit, both tractors were really tough, with 15000 hard hours on each one with the pumps turned way up. They just had to be revved up to get power. That 404 was a durable little engine. Jim
fixerupper
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My Deere 'R' had a steel rad. There was a wartime copper shortage when it was made. It rusted out and I replaced it but I was a little puzzled as to why a rad would rust out until I figured out why it was silver colored. Back in the day they did not have anti-freeze with rust inhibitors. Jim
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Dad had a WC Allis that managed to find just enough mud to get it stuck every time I got on the blasted thing.
As good of a rep as they have, I owned a 5000 Ford that must have been made from recycled grenades.
As good of a rep as they have, I owned a 5000 Ford that must have been made from recycled grenades.
Traditional Farmer
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N Model Fords
Anonymous-0
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The only war going on when the r's were built was Korea. The 460/560 were and are total junk, they broke IH. Lot of work has been done with the 400 Case, 4320 and the 70 series Case's
John (C-IL)
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Here my friends we have a winner!
Stephen Atkins
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Farmall 300 gas.
steveormary
steveormary
Bob M
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My choices:
1 - Any Ford with the "Select-o-Speed" transmission. (Instead of SOS, Ford should have named it the POS)
2 -CIH 9180. Ours was plagued with frequent transmission failures. It spent as much time apart in the shop as it did in the field. When it did work the 6-7 upshift (also 7-6 downshift) was terrifyingly harsh. And the tranmission dropped to 1st gear each time you touched the clutch pedal. (However aside from the transmission it was a decent tractor. But after 2 years of frustration it got traded for a JD 8970.)
3 - Any Belarus product. There's several dead in fencerows scattered around here - I've never actually seen/heard a Belarus run(!)
1 - Any Ford with the "Select-o-Speed" transmission. (Instead of SOS, Ford should have named it the POS)
2 -CIH 9180. Ours was plagued with frequent transmission failures. It spent as much time apart in the shop as it did in the field. When it did work the 6-7 upshift (also 7-6 downshift) was terrifyingly harsh. And the tranmission dropped to 1st gear each time you touched the clutch pedal. (However aside from the transmission it was a decent tractor. But after 2 years of frustration it got traded for a JD 8970.)
3 - Any Belarus product. There's several dead in fencerows scattered around here - I've never actually seen/heard a Belarus run(!)
Anonymous-0
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MT John Deere with the quick tach equiptment. The only thing it was quick about was finger pinching. The only reason I put this above the N serries fords is that the n serries fords had been out awhile and John Deere knew better. dam thing was gutless, had no brakes, dropped the front wheels off in a 6inch deep hole while cultivating in dry dirt. Had to get dad to pull me out.
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Jay,
What was wrong with the JD4320? My uncle has one and he brags on it like it was gold.
What was wrong with the JD4320? My uncle has one and he brags on it like it was gold.
Wasn't the JD M even worse? Our neighbor had one and no one could ever figure out why he bought it. Too small for anything we did and no one bought a tractor for garden work around here. Would only cultivate one row and, yes, he bought a cultivator with it. He must have enjoyed driving back and forth day after day. Well, now that I think of it, it did keep him away from his wife for longer periods.
The Ford 6000 Commander would have been a good tractor were it not for the only transmission offered. The infamous SOS. They thought they had it fixed and offered farmers a new tractor with only tire wear to be compensated by farmer or farmer could keep original tires on new tractor. Those didn't work either. Not under heavy use anyway. Thankfully, we never had one but some neighbors did.
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I wondered when the N bashing would start.
You guys with your plain old drawbar tractors just never got over the fact that a 1939 9N straight off the factory floor could so easily do this simple task.
I wondered when the N bashing would start.
You guys with your plain old drawbar tractors just never got over the fact that a 1939 9N straight off the factory floor could so easily do this simple task.
Anonymous-0
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Was that 706 a diesel? We had a gasser,no problem .
johndeerefan
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Any IH product that had a TA. Love them when they work, but they spent more time in the shop getting replaced than running. We finally solved the problem by eliminating the TA.
Brian Jasper co. Ia
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All I can say is MF does NOT in any way, shape, or form stand for Mighty Fine...
rustred
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the only time something is "total junk" is when you dont know whats wrong with it or how to fix it.just like "anything with a TA is junk". sure they will give problems when their abused. IHC did not intend for them to be used constantly in these old tractors. only in a tough spot.sometime the tractor gets the blame when its just operators fault.and for the CASE the power shift did give a lot of problems.
johndeerefan
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If they didn't want the TA used, they should have came up with a better system that worked on demand. Anyone can design something to work every once in a while, but a good design can be used over and over and keep on working. You know a TA is a bad design flaw when every IH for sale you see says "New TA or Good TA" as a selling point. Just saying.....
Anonymous-0
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do your homework rustred,you're bashing a Case ps when every 66/86 IH's suffered failed speed /range trans and ring& pinions as for the 560 the 282 dsl. blew head gaskets and the sleeves slipped into the oil pan, the trans was weak and the rearend failed often. The 460 gas was cold blooded, drank fuel and was gutless. We have had several 70 series Cases and only had a minor valv body problem with a 970, my neighbor was always hauling his red things in to repair
rustred
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ya, right. wasnt really bashing anything just pointing out a few things.that were problematic.must have your shorts in a knot.
AND on top of that if he was all ways hauling it to repair then maybe the mechanic is at fault not the tractor. sure there was recalls but i think your analysis is biassed.even IHC's competition John Deere had recalls as with Case. so go pick a color.
AND on top of that if he was all ways hauling it to repair then maybe the mechanic is at fault not the tractor. sure there was recalls but i think your analysis is biassed.even IHC's competition John Deere had recalls as with Case. so go pick a color.
johndeeremechanic
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You obviously had a 3010 with the USX (aluminum) carburetor on it. The Zenith cast iron carbs make a JD 3010 10X better.
Jim, Guys, Yes that 4630 has a SP tranny, Grain cart work did seam to be right up this tractors alley! Hang a 21 ft offset behind it or a 7 bottom Lister plow, or a Holcomb 12 X 50 land plane, on it, and it would just fell on its face. With the Lister plow it was not as well balanced as the 5020 was in that operation. It carried a full set of suitcase wt. on the front and 1300 of cast on each back corner.
This 4630 did come with a steel radiator, took it to Amarillo, Tx to get a new copper on for it. @ a Rad Shop there.
Contrary to what a couple of others have said below, for their ignorance has overloaded their Kildee behind side. I have set more hours in a 6430 than I care to remember thus I have the knowledge to back up what I said.
Yes, You are right about the Quad-Range tractors too, and it was the same on the 40 series too. Nice to hear your in site!
Later,
John A.
This 4630 did come with a steel radiator, took it to Amarillo, Tx to get a new copper on for it. @ a Rad Shop there.
Contrary to what a couple of others have said below, for their ignorance has overloaded their Kildee behind side. I have set more hours in a 6430 than I care to remember thus I have the knowledge to back up what I said.
Yes, You are right about the Quad-Range tractors too, and it was the same on the 40 series too. Nice to hear your in site!
Later,
John A.
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About all it do
Ultradog MN
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Well,
An N with a Sherman Overdrive will also get the mail.
And probably faster than most others would.
And collecting the eggs. They were better than any other brand for that.
An N with a Sherman Overdrive will also get the mail.
And probably faster than most others would.
And collecting the eggs. They were better than any other brand for that.
jim johnson
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Maybe you need to know how to use a TA. I have never had a TA go out. It's just like any other piece of equipment there's a right way and a wrong way to use it.
Jim
Jim
jim johnson
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I'll second that. The 1070 Case I had was terrible.
Jim
Jim
Darrell Gaynor
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Dboll is correct when he talks about thre Case powershift, I have seen the very earliest ps trannys with over 7000 hrs on them without incident. I also have seen valve body issues with these same tractors always due to lack of filter and tranny oil changes. The long stroke big bore Case engines are legendary for their low speed torque and fuel efficiency and moderate engine rpm. There were much worse tractors built than Case. I used a 4440 one time to pull forage wagons and when one of those JD engines drops to 1400 rpm you better get ready to shift or stall where a Case will still be pulling with torque down to 1000 rpm. Just sayin.
greenmachineman
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In my experience, the worst tractors are the ones that are not used properly, and never maintained.
Fred Wolfe
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I will say ALL of my Massey Ferguson tractors are Mighty Fine. Massey Harris included.
I wonder what you meant by this question? Like I see a bunch of guys saying tractor X, that's 60 years old now, has this flaw. Well, I suppose the person in question could be talking about 60 years ago but I suspect a lot of them are talking about in the recent past. Saying something doesn't work right on a machine with that many years under it's belt really isn't fair.
I also think the IH 460/560 get an unfair rap. Yeah they had bearing problems but IH fixed them and I've talked to a few guys that had them from new and they never had any issues with the machines. It just seems like there a lot of them still around and being worked for them to be such a bad tractor.
K
I also think the IH 460/560 get an unfair rap. Yeah they had bearing problems but IH fixed them and I've talked to a few guys that had them from new and they never had any issues with the machines. It just seems like there a lot of them still around and being worked for them to be such a bad tractor.
K
John Deere D
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I have never owned a bad Tractor.
Any tractors that had signs and symptoms of "previous owner syndrome" usually were given a bad rap.
Lack of maintenance manuals,and proper maintenance skills have created most tractor problems.
Bob..Retired Power Engineer
Any tractors that had signs and symptoms of "previous owner syndrome" usually were given a bad rap.
Lack of maintenance manuals,and proper maintenance skills have created most tractor problems.
Bob..Retired Power Engineer
I can honestly say that probsbly the worst Tractor I’ve been around is a 1070 Case. I’m not saying it had the best care taken of it either buts it’s been through 5-6 hydraulic pumps and is down for one now. So I guess it’s only this one. Another one I have never been fond of was a JD 50 I could never get to run right now matter how much me or two retired JD mechanics worked on it. Always had a slight miss. I use to love two cylinders but anymore I get a headache when I run them.
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