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Allan in NE

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So,

The other day, I'm braggin' 'bout my Ford 6.4 right?

This morning I loose another radiator; anti-freeze running all over he!!. Take it directly to the dealer.....they're working on it as we speak.

Kinda rumble that if they can't find a reason the engine is a fault (100K mile warranty), that I'll probably have to eat that $1K radiator, which I might add, blew the end tank right off.

Not happy.

I've got a 2011 6.7 sittin' in the driveway as a demo; maybe I'm ready to trade? This Ford-built 6.7 is 'sposed to be do darned much better, ya know........

Not impressed. It's a four door, but sure doesn't seem to have the punch that my 6.4 has. Massive turbo lag too. :>(

If I hadn't said anything the other day, none of this would be takin' place now...... :>)

Allan
 
They're all Evil. I was just bragging on my 06 Dodge 2500 with the 5.9 Cummins. "0" failures other that normal tires, oil changes/routine maintenance etc. for the last 108K. Torque converter is now locking up and probably threw debri into the tranny which means If I don't rebuild it now I'll be doing that in the near future. My mechanic of 15+ years who has been doing the routine maintenance expressed the opinion that the Dodges had that reputation for failing torque converters. I looked him in the eye and asked him why he didn't tell me that when I could have replaced the TC for $8-900. rather than a tranny rebuild for $3K. He didn't think of it was his excuse. Human error. He normally recommends and I approve any needed repairs. Not too upset with him. We all make mistakes.
 
Who knows, maybe the Fords can's take praise very well? Maybe the Ford part is your problem... :p

Bad rad tank construction or too high a system pressure? Could the rad cap be the problem?
 
that 6.7 supposed to have 400 hp and 800 lb-ft of torque
16.23 in the quarter
also uses a 5 gallon urea diesel exhaust fluid tank which is supposed to last 7500 miles between fillups at what cost???

personally I prefer the v10

Ron
 

I wish I'd never got rid of the '63 F100 that I had. That thing was pretty much bullet proof, except for the rust problem.
 
Wait until you discover the new tank on the 2011 that you will periodically need to fill with urea at (for now) $17.95 per gallon thanks to the federales.

Dean
 
Both GM and Ford have urea injection on the 2011 diesels, and Dodge will have it next year. At $17.95 per gallon (for now at least), I suspect that the federales will drive a significant portion of the HD market back to gasoline.

Dean
 
Urea injection? P!$$ on that! Believe I'll just hang in there with our 2 1999 rigs, that we nurse along with the help of a very good diesel mechanic. BTW, my '48 Hudson 6 does the quarter in about that same time- I guess its another fossil that's also a keeper.

Daily driver is a '95 Lincoln with 215,000 miles, that I threatened to drive until the wheels fell off. The other day, one sort of did, so I've revised my expectations- now I'll drive it until ALL the wheels fall off.
 
Just fill the urea tank with water. No lie. IH did a test on a few trucks including the Dodge 5500 or whatever it's called and every truck they tested would drive perfectly on plain water without any derate. If the tank was empty the Dodge wouldn't start after 500 miles or so and some of the heavier engines would derate... but a simple refill with H2O did the trick.
Sounds like a plan to me...

Rod
 
Probably has blown headgaskets,or blown egr cooler...common problems with the 6.4's, radiator tank acts as a shearpin.
 
I call BS on IHs so called test. I like to see a link to this.

All new tie 4 engines will derate when you run our of urea including my new one.
 
Doesn't mean we have to like it. Anyone who buys into these EPA regulations and think that we're saving the planet should read Michael Crighton's "State of Fear." It's all about money, control, and job security.
 
It's on youtube. Call it what you like.

I'd tend to think myself that if they staged it... Freightliner, Cummins, Detroit Diesel and Chrysler would be on them pretty quick with legal papers, so I tend to think it's likely true....
Someone posted the link to the video on Agtalk about 10 days ago but I'm sure you can find it on youtube.

Rod
 
I've got a 2011 6.7 sittin' in the driveway as a demo; maybe I'm ready to trade? This Ford-built 6.7 is 'sposed to be do darned much better, ya know........

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You know, they said the same thing about the 6.0, then the 6.4. Given Ford's habit of laying an egg everytime they introduce a new engine I'd wait a year or two if I could.

Think of it this way, Ford has 0 history in this type of engine and they are going to build a world beater the first time out of the box? I'd settle for them building a cruise control that doesn't burn my garage down. Or a computer that doesn't need to be reflashed every 6-8 months to remind it what its supposed to be doing.
 
I have a new truck using urea. there are sensors and if no urea is detected the engine operates in a limp mode.

it will still run and move but your not going anywhere.
 
did you hear that cali over est that stuff coming out of of road ,by 340% to high .
thanks for the info about the tank and water , have to ask more questions at work .
do they or will they check whats in the new tank .
 
I may be on the conservative side but after getting this old truck paid for I said" that's it,no more" Must have been a good desision as she has 219K miles on her now and seems to do the job better every time we head out on a trip with our Jayco 5th wheel RV. 7.3 Banks equiped,5 speed and will maintain 25MPH all the way to the top and over Wolf Creek Pass in Colo.[Some one was talking about pulling Wolf Creek pass the other day,So]
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Bingo!

Great book.

Though fiction, the book is well researched and thoroughly documented. The end notes are much more revealing than the text.

Dean
 
Yeah... and the point of what IH was demonstrating was that in several cases all the sensor did was detect wether or not the tank was full. I beleive the Dodge would fail to start if you shut it off after having driven 500 miles without urea in the tank. It was a simple tank level sensor. In hte case of the heavy trucks, one engine derated somewhat, the other not by any noticable amount... and again, a simple tank level sensor. Fill the tank with water and the warning lights go out and off you go.

Rod
 
Won't work.

The tank must contain the proper urea. Sensors detect content and the ECM limits vehicle speed to 55 MPH for a maximum of two fuel tank refills once the urea tank is empty.

If the urea tank is still not filled with the proper urea, the ECM limits vehicle speed to 4 MPH until it is.

The federales have specified what the ECM must do to force owners to use the proper urea.

Dean
 
Did I mention that DEF has a shelf life of about 12 months?

If incorrect ("poor quality") or old DEF is detected, vehicle speed is limited to 55 MPH after 200 miles. Failure to remove the "poor quality" DEF and refill with proper DEF will limit vehicle speed to 4 MPH after two fuel tank refills.

According to GM, a "full tank of DEF (about 5 1/2 gallons) provides a driving range of about 5,000 miles (2500/3500 Series Duramax), less if towing or operting at high speed.

The federales have pretty well covered the bases.

Dean
 
I just drove over wolf creek pass just to see how bad it was the other day. Driving a 2010 f150 big gas and let me tell you had to push the gas..I did notice something on my rounds out west, the what ever they call them the mini campers are ALL built on something like a 350/450 ford chasis. Just did not see any chev chasis in that market..How do you handel the down hills on those 12 mi 6% grade drives.. That would be my real concern in a rig like yours.
 
Various locations depending on the OEM. I beleive there is some heating mechanism to thaw it out. I think there is also an issue with the urea solution freezing at a certain point...

Rod
 
Some systems perhaps... This was very much a sour grapes demonstration that Navistar did demonstrating how the emissions technology could be defeated... sour grapes because Navistar is comitted to EGR/particulate filter setups rather than DEF.
They didnt' say anything about GM so I assume that their system is working correctly, or at least in the manner that you suggest.
Their specific gripe was with Dodge on the 5500 model, Freightliner in general, Cummins and Detroit Diesel because their ECM's were not derating properly and also I think Kenworth...
Wether the video is true or not, I don't know... but I'd think their claims would be very liableous if they were not true.

Rod
 
Well, I was wrong.

Didn't blow the tank off, it was metal fatigue cracking at the core where it connects to the tank face. Concenses at the shop is that they are just cheap radiators, built in Mexico and built to 'just' outlast the warranty.

Ford says that they don't know what is causing it. Well fer KeeRist's sake! Any dummy can see that one. Vibration!

Don't know what to do with it.

Told the owner and the sales manager to run the numbers and I'll decide later if I want to pay the darned repair bill or let them keep it on a new one. :>(

Those are some monster trucks, but they get you coming or going. If I keep it and that engine or tranny goes south in 46K miles or so, there's another ten grand shot to he!!. :>(

Dunno Lads, those saddle horses are looking better all the time. :>(

Allan
 

Maybe and some of us should know this get some urea type fertilizer dissolve it in water and create your own.

I work for a boiler company and we install equipment to do this at power plants on a massive scale. By massive I mean a 12,000 gallon mixing tank and three 100,000 gallon holding tanks. The mixture is then fed into the SCR to reduce N0x emissions. This is the same system on a much smaller scale that is on the diesel trucks now.

Now getting the ratio of water to urea right may be another obstacle.

Or if you start looking at the wiring on the tank and the type of sensors you could probably install resistors that would fool the computer into thinking it had urea and the proper level in the tank with nothing in it at all.

I would keep an eye out in the aftermarket for plug and play type units that do exactly this. Just as they make for the second 02 sensors (the ones behind the converter) for the gassers that fools the computer into thinking the converter(s) are working properly when they are not even there.
 
And the dealer is about to make love to you ?Just be sure they know your name is Allen NOT Alice ! lol.
 
And the dealer is about to make love to you ?Just be sure they know your name is Allen NOT Alice ! lol.
 
Tank and filler is under the hood on GM vehicles. Filler is inside the gas door on Ford vehicles. Dodge vehicles will have urea injection in 2012.

Systems have heaters to allow cold weather operation.

Buyers pay for all of this crap.

Dean
 
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I haven't had much to do with the 6.7, but the 6.4 is truly an expensive repair opportunity!!! When I look at some of the repair bills on these diesels, I figure that I can buy a lot of gas.
 
(quoted from post at 20:26:49 10/11/10) So,

The other day, I'm braggin' 'bout my Ford 6.4 right?

This morning I loose another radiator; anti-freeze running all over he!!. Take it directly to the dealer.....they're working on it as we speak.

Kinda rumble that if they can't find a reason the engine is a fault (100K mile warranty), that I'll probably have to eat that $1K radiator, which I might add, blew the end tank right off.

Not happy.

I've got a 2011 6.7 sittin' in the driveway as a demo; maybe I'm ready to trade? This Ford-built 6.7 is 'sposed to be do darned much better, ya know........

Not impressed. It's a four door, but sure doesn't seem to have the punch that my 6.4 has. Massive turbo lag too. :>(

If I hadn't said anything the other day, none of this would be takin' place now...... :>)

Allan
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At least it got you off extremist, right wing politics for awhile. Why would you even consider another Ford when it doesn't cost anymore to own a Chevrolet.
 
Slowly,2nd and 3rd Gears,good brakes all around. My trailer brakes are replaced often and well maintained as are the truck brakes.Leave nothing to chance.
 
Allen, Hey Neighbor!, IMO you are probably still kicking your self for trading off your old 7.3
That said, I have driven a 2011 F350 4dr, long box, 4x4, I just did not see much turbo lag at all closest thing to a hot rod! as I have driven in a long time. I am not keen on the Urea tank thing at all.....
I drove the 2011 Dodge w/ the Cummins,2 weeks ago at Brownwood Tx,... Son, I would be hard pressed to pick between the 2. the Dodge is still complient till 2014 so NO Urea tank! Their New 4 dr is as big as the Ford or maybe a little bigger. I do not belive you could go wrong either way. I would seriously consider loosing the 6.4 like a bad habit.
Hope this helps. Just turned 200k on my 01 7.3 last Wed.
Later,
John A.
 
Oh Yes It Does! I'm still smarting from a Chevrolet car I owned which qualified as the worst car I ever heard of. It must have been made in their Tarrytown, NY plant.
 
I'm not sure what is going on with Dodge but a friend of mine just bought a 2011 4500 with a cummins and it has the urea tank on it. So it looks to me like Dodge is using urea now just like everyone else???????
 
I believe up to the 3500 there is no urea. 4500 and up uses urea... Dunno why... but probably has something to do with the expected maintenance abilities of the end user. 4500 probably in the hands of a truck driver moreso than the soccer moms...

Rod
 
(quoted from post at 20:22:31 10/11/10)
The federales have pretty well covered the bases.

Dean
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Didn't know about this urea thing. You know, it seems like every day I find out something new that the EPA nazis or some other govt agency is doing to put more and more restrictions on our lives.

I got a "warning" notice from our township a while back because my automatic sprinklers were running past the allotted time of the morning. They passed an ordinance mandating even-odd watering days 100% of the time (not only in times of drought or water shortage) AND automatic systems can only run between 11:00 at night to 5:00 AM. You get a warning the first time and $100 fine thereafter. There is NO drought here, we have plenty of water pressure (between 65 & 80 psi at all times). It's just politicians trying to tell us how to live our lives. It's easy for them to sit in their office listening to some enviro-whacko, then write a bill that requires some ridiculous MPG or "zero" emissions and then head out to lunch. Meanwhile, the industry has to scramble (and spend BIG bucks) in order to figure out how to meet those standards.

Was thinking about buying a new diesel p/u, but guess I'll keep my '01 Silverado till the wheels fall off.
 
Allan, it might be time to add a couple verses to that song : I Like My Truck

Hope the replacement radiator is better quality, and Ford chips in on the bill.
 
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