OT- Hiway engineering in 21st Century

Mike (WA)

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Son is a highway engineer- he invited me to meet him for dinner at local restaurant tonite, after he got off work.

As I got there, he was on cell phone- I heard only one side of the conversation, and it was hilarious:
"Yeah, I need 4 laborers with wet suits. Well, I don't know- maybe we'll have to rent them. Whatever. No, the biologist says she has her own snorkel gear. She didn't say anything about a wet suit- maybe she'll have a bikini. No, we have to do this. Its in the protocol. I know its silly, but if we try to dodge it and DOE [dept. of ecology] shows up, we'll all be looking for work."

Turns out they're placing big boulders along a riverbank where the river is threatening a highway- They're not dropping them, they're placing them with a big excavator with a thumb- but before they start, they have these 4 guys in wetsuits with a net, on the side of the river. The two in the middle walk the net out into the river, and the two at the end stay on the shore. The idea is that they "fence" the fish out of the work area.

Biologist with snorkel swims around by the net- if she sees any fish in the work area (behind the net), she shuts the whole operation down until they can re-do the fence out operation again. So they don't accidentally place a boulder on a fish.

As they say, "You can't make this stuff up."
 
Just try to look at it as some people are getting some work. Hopefully these are contractors and not state employees who are on the payroll year 'round and needed only 30 days a year.
 
Got to contact my combover senator and tell him we need a second diver to make sure that here aren't any discarded old tractors laying down there that might get crushed by the new rip-rap. Save the tractors, People for the Ethical Treatment of Antique Tractors, (PETAT).
 
More waste of our tax dollars due to the eco-nazis (EPA, Sierra Club, etc) undue influence over our lives. Has anyone ever NOT seen fish scatter when dropping something in the water?

Just read an article where $800k of stimulus money (OUR tax dollars) was spent to teach African men (not even spent on our continent) how to wash their you-know-whats after having you-know-what.
 
Truely sad, Mike.

The environmental whackos (and other abundant feel-good insanity) is destroying the international competitiveness of the US vis a vis other countries that do not so burden their industries.

It is no wonder that businesses choose to invest in new operations outside of the US.

Dean
 
Over education is destroying the country. We are getting too smart for our own good. A huge windmill project has been shut down in my area for months, due to a so called endangered bat, but the same people are also trying to shut down the coal fired power plants in the area. I guess they don't use electricity.
 
It is well known that environmental whackos "plant" specimens of so-called endangered species at construction sites that they wish to stop.

Dean
 
Why didn't they just put orange cones in the river along with "road construction" signs with a picture of a fish with a circle and line thru it for the fish?
 
Mrs. O bama had that put in the bill, she must have talked with Mrs. Clinton about what happens in the oval office.
 
Must be related to the idiot who designed the 20 million dollar brigde and ramps overbhwy 99W and OR 22 near Rickreal. They forgot to put in a way to go north so the send you all over the place to get there. This whole thing was to eliminate the light on 99W so they put in a new light just before you get to the old light.
Take a l
Ook at it on one of the map program maybe you can figure out what they thinking UH! Smoking.
Walt
 
Went to Google, if you look in sat view, looks like the pic id the old way, the yellow lines are the new way?

Is the new stop light on the north of the intersection where everything balls together there?

That sure is one deformed cloverleaf!

In Minneapolis there is a busy intersection, 169 & 494 in the SW corner. Terribly busiy. 169 has a county road stop light, and stop lights to get on 494. Very stupid for the huge traffic flow. It is such a big intersection so heavily traveled, they don't know how to cure it, basically, so leaving it gridlocked has been the solution. From the day they built it, the plan was to throttle traffic through there so it doesn't mess up the rest of the roads.

They came up with a plan to use stimulous money to fix it. To qualify for stimulous money, you have to do something 'different', as in an experiment to try new things.

so, the new plan is to drop 2 of the connecting roads off other plans. There won't be any way to come south on 169 and turn west on 494.

This is the innovative new idea.

Oh boy.

--->Paul
 
We had some road work done locally last year, they had to put silt fence material and hay bales along the work area. Someone was hired to walk the line to look for and help any Eastern Box Turtles that may have come upon the obstruction, common sense is gone.
 
I often wondered about that overpass. Seemed like over kill. But then again this is Oregon where the politicians never saw a project they couldn't wast taxpayer dollars on. And now Kitzhauber wants to have another go at bankrupting the state.
 
Another good one is here in NE the department of roads workers aren"t allowed to let gravel or dirt get into a river or creek when doing stabilization projects. Even when in some instances the gravel was dredged out of the river less than 2 miles upstream. Figure that out. BT
 
A number of years ago while working with the bridge crew - Mass Highway - We could not even let sawdust fall into water when cutting timbers.
 
If it's in the contract - we're paying for it!

The only thing a contractor can afford to do for nothing is - nothing. And that won't last long either.

Paul
 
I was on a rural project where we had to build two "snake crossings", with fencing parallel(sp) to the road to funnel the snakes to the crossings.

The crossings were twelve inch culverts with strip grating in the top to allow sunlight into the culvert..??

I imagine they are full of gravel by now.

It's illegal to kill a timber rattler here in Southern Illinois. Another crazy idea, made possible by people who never get off of the sidewalk.

You can't vote these people out of office.
They're not elected.

Paul
 

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