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What is the best tying baler from the past out there? We had John Deeres and I will say I was not really impressed..
 
I have found that it is not the brand of baler but the brand of owner that effect the tying on square balers. I have owned and used many brands of square balers. I have never found a brand yet that will not tie IF adjusted correctly. Most knotter problems can be solved with a little care and maintenance.
I sold a JD 336 to a neighbor last spring. He just told me at church that he had bales 6500 bales and it had not missed a bale even when switching balls of twine. Another guy around here has NH 273 that baled all of his straw and only missed three bales out of 12500, and they where all at twine ball switching.
I have found that John Deere, New Holland and Massey-Ferguson are a little easier to adjust. I thought International was harder due to the twine knife setup on some of the models. Oliver and Allis worked well but are temperamental on adjustment. Some times a 1/4 of a turn on a bill hook adjustment can be the difference between tying or not.
 
I my self prefer the NH balers but I have also had JDS Allis and a few others but I now have NH balers and they seem to hold up better and are easier to repair then the others
 
I've had good luck with both JD and NH, not that any of the other brands arent good balers its all a matter of adjustment. It takes very few thousandths of an inch of wear on any one component to beging to cause knotting problems. My JD began to give me fits 4 years ago. I changed to progressively larger diameter twine and kept the problems at bay until this year. This year, no matter what I did I couldnt get it right. A trip to the JD dealer and a thousand dollars worth of parts and it ties like it did when it was new. Knotters have never been wet, and it appears that the life of the last rebuild was about 19 years and 100,000 bales.
 
I have run Massey, Deere, and New Holland balers and each one tied like a champ when the knotters were clean and adjusted correctly. The only time I have ever run into trouble with any of them was when I tried to push the hay through the older lower capacity balers, but they were great machines for their purpose.
 
My New Holland sets out year around without a cover with old hay in the chamber. This year I greased the knotters and it has tied over 400 times with one missed tie and that didn't slip out until it was on the wagon.
 
My old 269 has made about 2500 this year without a miss.The big thing is grease grease grease.This knotter is machined shafts to machined cast with no bearings.The only draw back is the small cam gears and twine disk gears are mounted with a drive in tapered pin and can be a little pain to replace.Adjustment and timing are simple if you got a book.Good Luck.
 
Considering that there's really only 2-3 basic knotter design/licences out there... they should all tie about the same if they're adjusted correctly. NH, Deere, Ford, Allis, New Idea, Hesston and mabey some others all used the same basic knotter. IH used the 'all twine'. MF had something different again and I'm not sure of it's origin...

Rod
 
My 336 J.D. tied 5,350 bales this year with no
problem.Mistied on one ball change.When blowing it out and cleaning I found that the main knotter piece,the cast one that everything is bolted to, is cracked in two places. It looks pricey.I do some stupid rough fields,maybe a large stick came out of the bale chamber and hit it. I love my baler and spray it all down with fluid film when finished.
 
We ran jd balers and nh they worked ok, like others say to keep clean and grease, we got a massey 224 and the knotter seems to have fewer moving parts, the knot gets pulled off the bill hook instead of wiped off. My great uncle had a 68 NH that he said it could tie 1000 bales with out missing a beat, then he used it one day and I found out why, the bales were so loose I had a hard time keeping the stings on what he called bales. The 224 makes a great bale until you push wet hay through without loosening the chameber some, or dont have to much going in, but that happened on the jd and nh balers. They are all made to work.
Tom
 
I've always had more problems with twine quality than the knotter itself. The old NH brand twine in the red and tan ball was great stuff. Now even Clover and some other brands are iffy bundle to bundle.
 
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