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JDseller

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I see many posters on here that always seem to have to bad mouth or smart off about John Deere. I have owned the the tractors listed here: IH 1466, C , 140- Allis-Chalmers 185, 8010- Oliver 1655,1755- Duetz 6275, 3.5kw-Ford 6000,981- John Deere 4430,4455,2630,5010,G, 5310,3020,4020,1010. Out of all of these tractors that I have owned the ones that cost me the least: Purchase price + repairs-resale/ usage, was JOHN DEERE. Are the others bad??? Some where but most where good tractors, but on the total cost of ownership the John Deere"s have been cheaper. I know everyone can have different luck but that is mine.
I also have had my wages paid by three different John Dealers in the past. I also try not to bad mouth any bodies else"s brand of choice here.
SO IF YOU DON"T LIKE JOHN DEERE JUST DON"T POST ANYTHING WHEN EVER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A JOHN DEERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Problem is you don"t have a Ford 8n on your list or your handle would be "8n lover" and you wouldn"t care about people bad mouthing John Deeres.
 
I wlll stand by my statements that JD compacts are in no way up to par with Kubota...and in some cases the other brand Compacts...but I am only speaking of the Yanmars...not the real JD stuff!
 
Maybe John D ran oliver the country, and met Allis C.-- They in turn ran away, till Allis met huber because John D could no longer afford her . story goes they farmall over the country now .
 
Give me an oliver anyday,
I been farming/ranching with the same two 1855's for 23 yrs,bought them used for less than $7000 for the pair,hardly had a breakdown either.

I just bought an other one for...$400...
It would only buy you the key for an old JD

Resale value is prob still what i paid for them.
I prob make a killing on the last one.

Can you do that with a JOHN DEERE for the same money.Yea,....one wore out 4020 mebby.

BTW i got 1800 acre's in case you think i just play with them
 
I'm sure there's just as many people who have had the best luck with other brands. A know a lot people that said the older JD's were hard on fuel compared to other makes. I know some guys that have a Ford 9600 and JD 4020. They claim the Ford is easier on fuel and it's roughly 40 more HP than the JD. The JD also had the engine rebuilt. I have an 65 UK MF 135 and don't think anything that JD offered in the same time period is even worthy of comparison. Just curious but did JD also pay you to put this post up?????? Dave
 
JDseller, this is something that goes on no matter what you are talking about so don't let it get to you. If you think about it when we comment as you did it just makes us come down to the bad mouth persons level. Over the years that my dad, brothers, and I farmed we owned and used over a dozen JDs, six or seven Case, six or seven IH/Farmalls, two MF, two or three Fords, two Alis Chalmers,and even a couple Kuboata. I have also owned seven or eight Cockshutts. I may have forgotten a tractor or two in the mix but that should about cover the list of tractors. As for equipment there isn't one brand out there we didn't have at one time or another. Now JD is my first pick, Cockshutt is my second but that doesn't make them superior, it's just my preference. To be honest the MF 65 was the best tractor pound for pound, dollar for dollar we ever owned. The Case O Matic 800 was the worst and most costly second by a JD A, and JD 2010. The JD 70 was a work horse but sucked gas and the JD 730 said, nope it's below 70 so i'm not leaving the shed. My dads favorite was the older JDs and that MF 65. I liked working any of them except that 800 Case O Matic, I would have rather farmed with two goats and a shovel. One brother was JD only, the other brother was Case only and depending on the brother you talked too that was the best kind for cost and resale. Now i think they all cost too much, make you work too hard, and any of them will eat your lunch if things aren't going right.
 
135 Fan, There you go bad mouthing me because of my opinion on John Deere. You want to compare a JD 4020 with a Ford 9600??? So lets do that.

Ford 9600 list price 1976 $17,500 dollars. Found seven for sale on Tractor house: dropped the highest and the lowest and averaged the rest. $7800 resale value now. So that is 44% of it original value.

John Deere 4020 List price 1972 $10,300 dollars
found 184 for sale. So I only used 1970-1972 and dropped any that where not "farm tractors" no restored fresh paint, fishing for a sucker ones. That left 12 with and average price of $11,400. So that is 110% of its original value.

Now would your MF 135 stack up against lets say a John Deere 1020. They are about the same age and horsepower.

MF 135 list price $4385 average like above $4760

JD 1020 list price $4515 average like above$4700

So in this case you MF 135 came out ahead. An I will say that a MF 135 is a pretty good small utility tractor. Now if we went to a larger MF like a MF1100 or MF1135. Then we would get much different numbers.

The truth of the matter is that in small utility tractors 20-30 years old then the Fords and MF are hard to beat.

When you go across the full line of equipment, tractors to combines. I have had better luck with my John Deeres. The second place would be the Internationls.
I have had to tell that guy that has a perfect Dustz-Allis 7145 mfwd with 2800 hours that it is only worth $17500 to $19500. (this was 2000) So that $10000 dollars he saved over buying a John Deere 4455 cost him $25,000 to $30,000 now. Real story and I was the only one within driving distance at the time that would even take it in on trade on JD 7810.
 
Where did I bad mouth you? I just gave an example, I wasn't comparing a 9600 to a 4020. I just said that the people I know with both say the 9600 is easier on fuel and has a significant amount of extra horsepower. A 135 is a pretty good small utility tractor? That's an understatement! How come you're bad mouthing MF tractors? Dave
 
I have spent far more time working on my JD than my Ford.I replaced many final drive housings on the MC crawlers.Sounds like the Ford Chevy BS.
 
I like John Deeres, I own Farmalls. Wouldnt mind owning a little H, I think they are pretty neat little tractors, but I dont go around bragging how much better my Farmalls are than anything else out there. True story, local deere dealer charged my uncle 40 buck for a peice of steel tubing, just because it had greene paint on it. Ive been to several JD dealers, with friends, for various parts here and there. I have found that no matter what it is, if it had green paint, or John Deere wrote on it, its twice as much as a generic, or brand specific part. Oh and your attitude about whatever happened I didnt see, is a typical JD owner responce....at least from my area.
 

Jealousy has a lot to do with it. The old $$$ remarks, colour of money. It also sticks in their craw that only Deere is still around and survived. The other brands are just a merged blend of failed companies.
 
Good one Roy. That about sums it up. We're all in this together. People compare way too much about everything. You could start a debate on trucks, religion, politics engine oil...whatever. I just love old tractors. Nuff said.
 
I like the looks of JD and was going to get a JD baler but looked at another )German brand) that was in twice the shape and less money. Like a couple of the older tractors but am afraid of the price of parts which is very scary here. I'll stick with my little red tractor that starts and runs like a champ now with 5 seconds of preheating.

Dave
 
That is the exact opposite of what I have found to be true, and yes there are a couple JD's here.
 
For the most part it is called (ribbing) all done in fun. Those that can't take a ribbing are deemed to live their lives away from fun loving people.

I have mostly Oliver and Allis Chalmers tractors with a few others around.

I get

Oliver -- Oil all over

Allis Chalmers -- Allis Chumper

Ford -- Dorf

I have never thought it was having my brands of tractors (bad mouthed) I take it as an invitation to pick back. (all in fun)

Sad that some can't catch on to the concept.
 
dont take it so serious, there will always be a color war when talking tractors, most of it is just good natured ribbing, going back as far as tractors themselves, also rember there are kids on here and a few of them will post trash talk on any subject, theyre not old enough to actually own a tractor themselves but post stuff just to start trouble, just like in the stuck and troubled forum
 
(quoted from post at 04:49:27 08/19/10) Those that can't take a ribbing are deemed to live their lives away from fun loving people.

Sad that some can't catch on to the concept.
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I think that it's Bush's fault...... Folks just can't get along.......
 
First thing to do is relax, I hope you didnt post something bad about another brand in your history of being on here! I run jds and masseys and olivers, and out of them all the jds do take more repair, the hitch on the 4020 is a joke, one day you can use it then the next day you go to use it it is out of oil in the rear end. I thought it was the stupidest design! The hydraulic pump is wonderful yet too, if you hold the clutch down to long and your lift pump is bad you dont have hydraulics, the power shift was a great option, but it needed more than eight speeds, and they kept that all the way through the 40 series. I ran a 4440, and you had to clutch between 6 and 7 other wise the front wheels came off the ground! The 4020s they couldnt figure out how to start them should we use 12 volt or 24, niether worked worth a darn, well turn the steering wheel while cranking it, that helps, isnt that stupid, why not dump some load, the other brands I run dont start that hard! The front fuel tank gets in the way for air flow and cleaning the radiator, I use to complain about the pto speed, the 4020 is at 1900rpm and the 3020 is at 2100rpm, dad bought those both new, ran the 4020 on the chopper and the 3020 hauled in, the pto speed needed switched, the chopper killed the 4020, and the 3020 you needed to wind up to unload the wagons, my 1850 handles the chopper better with a slower low gear and 2400rpm for the pto speed, if he had bought olivers, the 1650 has a pto speed of 2100 rpm, see how that is better thinking! Maybe the guys in Waterloo should have went to Charles City and asked for help! LOL! As far as resale the little ford 8n probally has everone beat out! As far as I am concerned, I like driveing them all, Oh yeah the steering on a jd is about as whacky as a polition, watch the front wheels close while driving in high gear down the road, well the 4020 and 1850 go hand in hand, I also have a 1105, I use the 1105 and 1850 for field work and the 4020 gets the odd jobs, the 4020 never pulled a plow as well as the 1850 or the 1105, dont know why? Anyway, if people want to spend more for a jd let them do it, it isnt any better than the next! Just my dollar and a half!

Tom
P.S. I still hope you relax, a guy told me once if it has teats or wheels it is going to give you problems down the road some day!
 

I'd take Red over Green in the shop any day... I always end up with a rainbow of vocabulary whenever I have to repair a Green machine... Bass ackward inbred engineering I swear...
 
Im a Deere guy. Grew up with Deere and AC. Never cared much for the ACs tho. Now Im farmin ull find multiple colors on our farm. We run red, green, and blue. Still like Deere the best. I dont really take it to personal when someone knocks on a deere unless theyve never even owned one to know anything about them. I gotta say this about deere tho, they are still owned by deere they havent merged and still make there own engines and transmissions on there 60+ hp tractors. A jd guy tells you his is the best. An ac guys says his is the best, a ih guys says his is the best. It just is a matter of your opinion. Just like I think if you take a ford body and chasis put a cummins in it and an allison you would have one heck of a work truck and yes Im a ford guy.lol.
 
I keep telling you guys to get an ETD and all your problems will go away. Warning! They're hard to find so when you spot one get a lock on it!
 
There are many factors that the average tractor guy (like me) do not understand unless they dig in to it.
Want to know one factor that drives price? It is called "supply and demand".
The tractors that did not sell very well are basically some of the ones that command a higher price now. It does not at all say that those tractors are superior in ANY way to the competition. In fact, they were viewed as NOT as good thus the reason in many cases few were sold.
There are exceptions to this such as special models that were just as good as the others but only needed in limited supply.
Know the history before you have a doctor die your blood green. Knowledge is power, and that means REAL knowledge, not just an opinion.
Creative marketing is an amazing thing, but it NEVER means that they are telling the truth.
 
to each their own. i"ve operated AC, JD, Ford, Massey Ferguson, Oliver, and Farmall. for my own liking, i like the Fords and MF the best followed by AC. i"m not saying that any one make is better; but simply that my favorites are as such for my own use. i presently have a Ford 2N that i"ve used to log firewood with plus several other chores, for 29 years. it has, and does serve me well.
 
I won't bad mouth your John Deere's but whenever I am on an antique tractor ride or or in a parade and a John Deere is within a couple of tractor lengths of me I might as well forget about listening to what speed my engine is going because of the racket :eek:)
 
Because JDSeller has a high opinion of himself & his head, and doesn't get it that we live in a society where many people have different, but worthwhile, opinions.

He's a god in his own mind, the rest of the world is all messed up, he's perfect.

No point arguing with something like that, and why many of us don't bother replying to such childish posts.

It is kinda fun to watch the fur fly tho, these type of threads can be entertaining to sit down with a bag of popcorn & enjoy the action.

--->Paul
 
JD,I bought a brand new 4040 in 1980.it would burn over 7 gph of fuel,would nt start below 55' without either.But it was a really nice tractor to run.I later replaced it(sadly?I lost the 4040)with an old beat up 856.it pulled the same plow 2mph faster on half the fuel and started at any temp.I been IH ever since.seems that the JDs burn lots more fuel,and need to be wound up to prduce any power.
 
Here is the question I always ask to those who brag up the one particular brand they happen to own - did you engineer and build this tractor yourself? If you did not, then you have no reason to brag about it. Go out and build your own tractor from scratch without any help from anyone else, then you will have bragging rights!

Every one on this board who has bought a tractor either wrote a check or handed over some cash and hauled or drove it home. We crank up the pump and brag about the power increase we got out of it, but someone else designed that into the tractor. All we did was turn a screwdriver. End of rant!! Jim
 
I wouldn't price dif a 1972 tractor with a1976 or newer tractor because in 1973 everything almost doubled in price.especialy land and equipment to farm it with.And no he didn't bad mouth your dear he said it used more fuel and everyone knows deers use alot of fuel.If you put that in your equation every tractor cost probabily the same amount of money in the long run.I like deer and any other tractor that runs and I DON"T have to fix.
 
Like a professor of mine in college said one day when we were having a spirited debate in class,

"Differences of opinion is what makes a horse race".

That being said, I've never owned a John Deere tractor, (combines, yes), but once when I was working on some waterways I borrowed a 4020 from the fellow who leases our farm land. I never did figure out how to shift the darned thing. I'd just play around with the shifter till I found something that went the direction I wanted to go and lived with the result.
 
That's the reason I don't get into these arguments with solid color guys. I've found all models and brands are better suited for certain applications than others. My purchasing revolves around needs (for jobs performed), availability, and value.
 
figure in gals. per hour, 70's -80's deeres were fuel hogs, my neighbors 300+hp 2870 Case used less fuel per hour pulling a 40' digger alongside his friends 4440 pulling a 24' and most of their engines weren't much like the gutless, no torque hard starting 404 and the completely worthless 531 and 619. you buy a jd for $12,000 and sell it for 12,000 or buy another brand for $6000 and sell it for the same, it's all relative except that many jd owners are arrogant jerks.
 
It's not the tractors....Its the owners!! The great bushy eyebrows....the ill-fitting overhauls...and those green mailboxes..oey vey!!!
 
i have to agree with almost everything you said. the 1850 is a better field work tractor and is a much better option for chopping than a 4020. the rpms make a big difference. I like the 4020's a lot though because they do make a great odd jobs tractor. and they werent designed that badly if you consider that almost all of them are still around today!
 
It's probably because most John Deere owners tend to be a little "smug about it". It is nice knowing you've finally gotten the best there is, all things considered. Sure, some models of the JD tractors had...and still may have their faults... in fact all manufacturers have built some downright inferior products at one time or another...and there never has been a perfect anything created by man. John Deere has survived all the tests of time coming through the economic lows in agriculture and well as the national doldrums still as the original company without merger with, or aquisition by, any other company. Few major American companies can make the same claim.....VERY FEW in the farm equipment business.
 
Not Bush, he does have tractors, and I think you're correct on the JDs.

Dave knows who we're talking about. It's an inside joke.
 
If somebody is happy with the tractor they have, why would they be jealous? Just cause it has JD paint doesn't mean it's any better than anything else. I know a guy that has JD tractors and swears they're so much better than anything else. He also has an older Cat 951C track loader(75)and a JD 450D crawler that is about 10 years newer with way less hours. He say's he'd never buy another JD crawler again because the older Cat is better engineered. How can that be? Dave
 
Brad, gotta agree with you. Have two brother inlaws that are so green they are silly. One whose combine was down with a bad bearing and no replacement in the deere pipeline wouldn't buy a replacement from a bearing dealer as they were not as good as a deere bearing. Didn't have the heart to tell him bearings are vender parts, and not made by deere or any combine manufacturer.
 
if i were to build my own tractor it would be: diesel,75 pto hp, 6500 # dry shipping weight, 16.9 x 28 rear tires, lpto, live hydraulics, power steering, at least 8 foreward speeds and 2 reverse. 75" wheel base, overall max height at top of sreering wheel 60"
 
I've had Case, IH, Farmall, MF, Belarus, Ford, NH, AC, Kubota as well as John Deere. All of them have good points and bad. I like the dealer support of JD but that's about it. Of the newer tractors that I have, I like the Kubota and NH the best.
 
I perssonaly dont have anything bad to say about Deere and im not going to say all of there owners are arseholes but if i had anything wrong with them it would be those with them that think there the best i myself collect Case and you would be amazed at how many of them will knock my tractors then say that they are made by IH which we all know they were not. i can see also and agree with many about how they think there better because around here most of the boys in green hats are those suv driving annoying yuppie types at the local TSC.
 
Wait a minute, I just now caught this, if they are so great, why are you "selling" them?? If you have such a high opinion of them, why are you not keeping them?
 
They are like motorcycles........I like them all, any brand or color........the best to me seem to be the ones that are paid for and crank when I need it. Paul
 
Best tractors that I have ever owned is a 4020 and 3020 John Deere. Both are high houred tractors with little problems.
 
Did the Ford 9600's have a hydraulic filter. I knew a guy that had one brand new and had to rebuild the transmission because I think he said it didnt have a filter. Also he had a new ford 8000 that had to have the motor rebuilt due to the fact that somehow them rubber covers that you screw in to a fuel line that keeps dirt out got left in there and the fuel disengrated it.
 
Hi Harry, we had nothing but problems with our 800 COM. Couldn't start out smooth, jump, jerk, and stand clear if you was trying to back up. Wouldn't pull if RPM dropped, just come to a stop. Would not start without some juice in a spray can in any weather. We rebuilt the engine, replaced heads with new, replaced all the injectors, had the pump rebuilt and ended up with same problems. We had the jumping and slipping problems checked out and never did get those problems solved. Hydraulics give us fits from the word go. When dad passed mom sold it at auction, the auction helper went to start it and had to give it a snort....it started up then jumped like a mule and took off for the crowd, someone jumped on grabbed the compression release, hit the brakes and clutch. It had a mind of it's own and as i said was nothing but a money pit and a mechanics worst nitemare. I'm also giving you the short version, if it would have been a mule dad would have shot it. LOL Maybe it was a Friday made tractor but it was one that i hated with a passion.
 
My family has owned nothing but orange (Allis Chalmers) and green (John Deere) except for maybe a random one-off utility tractor or something (Ford or New Holland, typically). I have nothing against the green machine, they drive great and usually don't give too much of a fuss (well, except for a brand new 8530 that had a fuel pump go out within 200 engine hours, and the damn thing didn't even have a manual release for the electronic parking brake so that we could tow it off the road from where it died).

But my typical gripe is that they seem to be a tad bit overpriced. Throw on that green paint and the price goes up 20 to 30%. That, and I don't like Sloan Implement, one of our closest Deere dealers... Due to their crappy attitudes and smugness, coupled with their ignorance of all things farming. I've never heard salespeople insult customers so damn bad in my life, and in the next breath not be able to find parts on their plainly labeled shelves for a tractor or planter.

And that... Just kind of sours me on John Deere in general (even though it's the dealerships fault, I take my business to other tractor companies like AGCO or Case IH, just on a matter of principle). Also, was highly unimpressed with several John Deere factory tours. And I guess I can't blame John Deere for advertising and marketing well, but I wear a John Deere hat because I drive tractors. I'm pretty sure those smartasses I went to college with from Chicago who wore "Deere Geare" (as we called it) would know a farm tractor from a Semi.

Also, this is an aside, I go to a Deere dealership and they have hats for like $20. I go to a Case IH dealer and pick one up for $8. Nice thick denim, too. A lot of people around here are all about "green loyalty", but not me. I'll drive whatever tractor is handy, provided it works. But I do have a soft spot for my old Allis Chalmers WD, and our local Case IH and AGCO dealers have treated me right.
 
The local Jd dealer Ruined Me on Deere ,, when the undertaker got him , Rumor has it that all his blood was green ... terribly arrogant , and knew he was smarter than he really was .. And Always thought his equipment was superior to any other color even when he FAILED TO FIX IT .... gotta hand it to deere , when they bought someone they put the operation totally under the deere logo
 
How is saying that "MF135 is a pretty good small utility tractor?" bad mouthing it???????? A THIRTY HORSE POWER TRACTOR IS A SMALL UTILITY TRACTOR NO MATTER WHAT COLOR!!!!!
 
How is saying a much bigger Ford uses less fuel than a smaller JD bad mouthing it? It's a fact. A 135 is closer to 40 HP at the PTO and are the most sought after used tractors in that HP range. 1020's are rarely ever mentioned. Why are you using all capitals talking about lower HP tractors? There's a ton more of them sold than than their larger counterparts. I agree with the other posts, especially the one that you woke up on the wrong side of the bed. JD sells some good products and some not so good products just like everyone else. They aren't the best in every category. You'd think you owned 90% of JD stock and were crying because not as many people are willing to pay a premium for green paint when another colour will work just as good or even better for a lot less money. Maybe some cheese would go good with your wine? Dave
 
you guys are funny. you knock JD and and blow about your other brands most off witch are bankrupp and not made any more dont make much sence to me
 
This thread proves that most tractor owners dont know nuthin, they dont even suspect nuthin.Total gold plated BS.
 
(quoted from post at 08:10:21 08/20/10) you guys are funny. you knock JD and and blow about your other brands most off witch are bankrupp and not made any more dont make much sence to me
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They don't make Saturn or Pontiac cars anymore, either, even though IMO they made a lot of fantastic and reliable vehicles.
 
Hey Mike
Wow! Sounds like you should have let Dad get his satisfaction by shooting it. Guess they all made a few lemons, or maybe it was possessed.
Thanks for the reply.
 
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