We all know Harry was a common man who spoke his mind and didnt mince words:One day a dignatary came to Mrs.Truman and said"Can you please get Harry to STOP saying "cow manure!".She replied,"But sir,Its taken 40 years to get him to SAY "cow manure!".....thats great! I love it!
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I"d like to see you tell him that to his face, if he were still with us.
MarkB_MI
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MacArthur forgot who was in charge. Like they say, even when the boss is wrong, he's still the boss.
For the record, Harry S. Truman was the first and only US President to approve the use of nuclear weapons against an enemy. How many hundreds of thousands of civilians does one have to kill to not be a "wimp"?
As for MacArthur, a man of many faults and qualities, he is generally regarded as having treated Japanese war criminals with kid gloves.
For the record, Harry S. Truman was the first and only US President to approve the use of nuclear weapons against an enemy. How many hundreds of thousands of civilians does one have to kill to not be a "wimp"?
As for MacArthur, a man of many faults and qualities, he is generally regarded as having treated Japanese war criminals with kid gloves.
Ultradog MN
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MacArthur was a brilliant and interesting general. But vain, egotistical and narcissistic. MacArthur never did understand that it was the Navy who won "his" war against the Japanese. Read his memoirs and you'd think he won that war single handedly. For all the good Mac did for us I'm still glad to see that he finally got his comeuppance at the hands of Truman.
Truman on the other hand was a rather forgettable man who had the knack of being in the right place at the right time. The best things he ever did were to approve the use of the A bomb, pushing hard for the Marshall Plan and firing MacArthur. The rest of the things he did were ah, well, rather forgettable.
Truman on the other hand was a rather forgettable man who had the knack of being in the right place at the right time. The best things he ever did were to approve the use of the A bomb, pushing hard for the Marshall Plan and firing MacArthur. The rest of the things he did were ah, well, rather forgettable.
flying belgian
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We had a govenor here in Mn. few years back who spoke his mind. Jesse Ventura. He had a lot of good ideas but when he got in office and found out he could not change the statis quoe he got frustrated and did not do anything. He would not give in to congress and they would not give in to him so nothing got done during his term.
Bob Bancroft
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Sounds like you have some understanding of that history. Don't you think MacArthur cost a lot of American lives unnecessarily in Korea by exceeding orders? I think so, and that to me is unforgivable.
Ultradog MN
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Armchair generals have the eternity of time to split hairs and count the bodybags. Real generals have to do it on the spot. Given the circumstances, Mac did a good job for us in Korea.
Remember that we fought under the auspices of the United Nations there. Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm. The UN has never won a war.
Remember that we fought under the auspices of the United Nations there. Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm. The UN has never won a war.
IndianaRed
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Commie Rod strikes again.
The war wouldn't have been with "Russians", it would've been with the U.S.S.R..
And with the benefit of hindsight and recently released Soviet documents, they wouldn't have done anything. They were shaking in their boots and thought we were far ahead of them.
The war wouldn't have been with "Russians", it would've been with the U.S.S.R..
And with the benefit of hindsight and recently released Soviet documents, they wouldn't have done anything. They were shaking in their boots and thought we were far ahead of them.
Ultradog MN
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And if Patton had had his way he would have enlisted the remnants of the German army and marched on over to Moscow. With or without the bomb. Coulda, woulda, shoulda settled it then. So who is it that was wrong? Patton? MacArthur? Truman? Maybe it was Ike. And of course Nixon was his Veep. Maybe we could pin the whole Commie expansion on him? The Crook...
Dunno Rod's politics or why you call him a Commie. I do know that he knows more about the big Fords than anyone here on this whole YT site.
Aint no sense attacking a fellow who has a lot to give. Not over some dumb politcs...
Dunno Rod's politics or why you call him a Commie. I do know that he knows more about the big Fords than anyone here on this whole YT site.
Aint no sense attacking a fellow who has a lot to give. Not over some dumb politcs...
Anonymous-0
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At the time, the Soviets had very few, some say <10 very primitive low yield, nuclear weapons, and NO reliable, or long range delivery capability.
The US had advanced fission weapon design and yield into the near hundred kiloton range, and had both the B-50 and the B-36 strategic long range bomber force of SAC with the leadership of General LeMay.
We could have easily melted the USSR and China, with little, if any danger to the continental US.
The US had advanced fission weapon design and yield into the near hundred kiloton range, and had both the B-50 and the B-36 strategic long range bomber force of SAC with the leadership of General LeMay.
We could have easily melted the USSR and China, with little, if any danger to the continental US.
Jesse had good ideas? Like money for education in rural areas wasn"t needed because "farmers home-schooled their kids"? He was a big mouth bully that criticized most everything, but had no constructive ideas. He was an embarrassment. And, in MN we do not have a congress- it is a Legislature.
Anonymous-0
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Truman's biggest sin was...he wasn't a nnalert. Had he been a nnalert, he'd be nominated for sainthood on this board.
[Not that I'm a fan of the modern crop of nnalert...but they're a world removed from where Truman stood, moved so far to the left that they can't even see ol' "Give 'em Hell" Harry.]
[Not that I'm a fan of the modern crop of nnalert...but they're a world removed from where Truman stood, moved so far to the left that they can't even see ol' "Give 'em Hell" Harry.]
Tony in Bama
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Good points about both men. I'm not much of a Truman fan, but another plus in his resume is the fact that he integrated the armed forces...
MarkB_MI
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If your definition of a "commie" is someone opposed to global nuclear war, then I guess I must be a commie, too.
olgentdc
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Agreed BUZZ , and Happy Fathers Day ,, Got a book on Truman , IN HIS OWN WORDS .. found it and gave it to POP the summer he passed ,, Dad always liked Truman Best , and LUVED it when he kicked MC-ARTHURS tailout .(finally that sobs been found out, dad served under him and claimed he actually met him and FDR during a breif stay in in the hospital 1944 ) . my kinda man ,HE said of TRUMAN , A REAL PRESIDENT to be proud of ,, he liked Reagon to .
He and Bess both had their own Chrysler. He also liked fancy clothes. He knew how to "dress to the nines" having been a haberdasher at one time. As far as the house, it was Bess' parents home. Harry wanted to live out on the farm but Bess wouldn't have it. Funny story about one of the new Chryslers: Actually two stories. One about scraping the narrow gate on the way into the drive but the other was Bess' insistence that they drive back to Washington (she didn't like flying) for some affair there and her insistance that Harry not drive too fast which left them being passed and recognized by almost everyone on the road. Caused traffic jams and they were constantly being looked at and waved at.
Problem was, Sec of State was "Mr appeasement himself", Dean Acheson, and Sec Defense was old card playing/political buddy, Louis Johnson. Harry finally had to fire Johnson. He was just too much of an embarrassment. Harry was getting bad advice and couldn't see or understand it. He was very politically oriented and was contemptuous of nnalert. He also had generals, like Omar Bradley and others, including George C Marshall (who had succeeded Johnson as Sec of Defense) who held no love for MacArthur, and then there was LeGrand MacArthur, perhaps his own worst enemy, who served only God Almighty and treated all others as "good clerks".
BS.
My oldman fought Harry's war in Korea where he would only let us tie - not defeat the enemy. Dad always predicted his son's would have to refight the war they weren't alowed to win. Now it looks more like his grandsons will have to fight it instead.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article7131533.ece
My oldman fought Harry's war in Korea where he would only let us tie - not defeat the enemy. Dad always predicted his son's would have to refight the war they weren't alowed to win. Now it looks more like his grandsons will have to fight it instead.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article7131533.ece
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