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I hereby wish to thank the moderators for eliminating that recent post about the Newman device. That BS stuff was uncalled for. I believe that in the future, the tractors will be powered by Joe's invention. It all started with a post with the test results from the NBS. One of Joe's machines was tested in which the output energy was supposed to be greater than the imput.Prototypes have been built , tested and proven for the last 28 years saying the output is greater than the imput. There seems to be a feeling that the laws of physics are being broken, which is false. See page 102 of the manuel. In the report all the imput energy was measured but only part of the output was measured. How can that be a fair test? Again I thank the moderators.
 
simple physics, thermodynamics and entropy. You dont gain energy by using energy and anyone trying to sell you a device claiming it gets around those basic laws of the universe is a two-bit huckster with fools for clients
 
Don't know what thread(s) you are talking about, but frition loses energy, there hasn't been anything at all proving perpetual motion that you can be assured of. No such thing.

Like the fella that wanted to run a car alternator with an electric motor to charge a battery to run the electric motor, he was sure it would work because it doesn't take him much energy at all to spin an alternator by hand, and they are rated at 120 amps output so he was just dead set it would work.....

Oh boy.

--->Paul
 
Well if you go that route with the alternator you just need to drive it off a wheel you can lower to the ground , or option two,mount it on the roof with a prop that will turn in the wind as you drive . You could actually cary extra batteries and charge them for other uses . :big grin :
 
Surely it wasn't the cartoon that got it zapped, was it?
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You thank the moderators for deleting a post and then start it all over again. I found the post almost as entertaining as the one last week about welding up a cracked engine block; as I understand it, you want to hype some crack-pot theory, but don't want anyone else to post opposing views??????? (You believe that in the future, tractors will be, etc, etc) Personally, I believe that the moon is made of green cheese.
 
Yeah, and I'll thank the moderators to deep six this one, too.

Watch the Red Green video, Teddy- You're close, but I think he's got it.
 
When my kids were growing up and had ideas that were physically impossible, I sometimes found it much easier to JUST AGREE WITH AND HUMOR THEM (until maybe later when they were old enough to become educated) so maybe yall should just stop "wasting energy" and argue against an idea thats impossible by converting over to the whole concept sooooooooooo

SURE I AGREE (as an engineering graduate even) ITS POSSIBLE FOR A MACHINE TO PRODUCE MORE ENERGY THEN IT CONSUMES, NO PROBLEM (wink wink wink) You wont hear me argue or try to convince anyone to the contrary, hey its a free country and people can believe as they wish REGARDLESS
if it be right or wrong and I hope they invest in such an idea and make a ton of money, that can be their gain and others loss right??

Yall have a good day now n God Bless and THANK YOU MODERATORS

John T (A free market kinda guy)
 
P.T. Barnum got you pretty good, didn't he?

I had a friend in high school that invented a
perpetual motion machine but he could never get it started.
 
yes, that was my post that got out of hand. I understand your frustration when great inventions are kept from us. They obviously don't want us to know about these things. I for one am amazed at how so many learned Engineers can be so wrong. It is probably a failure of our Universities. I for one shall choose to wait for further developments on this invention. Don't let these rascals get you down.
 
Someone needs to tell you about the Essex Tri Directional and sell you a nicely located toll bridge. You provide the toll booth.
 
I have an ETD hid in my barn so they won't take it. Now that was waaaaay ahead of its time. I have to drain gas out of the tank to keep it from over flowing when I run it. I bought it from a guy who worked in Hanger 51. He brought it out a piece at a time.
 
JMOR, I was a disbeliever until I saw your Red Green clip. Now I know it's possible and am gonna start my own project.

Darn, that was funny. Thanks.
 
I guess nobody explained the laws of physics to you huh?

If I have a car that gets 30mpg and I put 1 gallon of gasoline in it the car would not drive 50 miles on that 1 gallon.

The ONLY device that will put out more energy that was put into it will be that fusion reactor being built in Europe, unlimited Hydrogen to keep a virtual sun running and supply unlimited (almost) energy for decades. Personally I believe that the fusion reactor may get away from the scientists and blow up the Earth. (possible)
 
Almost forgot. Is there any of these machines in use today running a machine of some sort producing a product? Certainly someone somewhere must be using one of these prototypes. After all he has been perfecting them for 30 yrs. There must be a working useful machine somewhere to show success of some sort.
I suppose "They" have suppressed all of his inventions. Don't you just hate when "They" do that.
 
(quoted from post at 18:06:10 05/24/10) Almost forgot. Is there any of these machines in use today running a machine of some sort producing a product? Certainly someone somewhere must be using one of these prototypes. After all he has been perfecting them for 30 yrs. There must be a working useful machine somewhere to show success of some sort.
I suppose "They" have suppressed all of his inventions. Don't you just hate when "They" do that.
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e says there are, but the users hide the fact to keep from paying him royalties (on his Mexican patent). He has ALL the answers........he's had 30 years practicing answers!
 
I always shed a tear when a perpetual motion thread gets "poofed". Without a doubt some of the funniest posts on YTMag have been on this topic.

OK, I'll stop chuckling long enough to answer your question: "...all the imput [sic] energy was measured but only part of the output was measured. How can that be a fair test?".

Let's try an analogy: I have a tractor that I hook up to a PTO dynamometer. I measure the tractor's fuel flow, and I measure the output horsepower. Plugging those two numbers into a formula gives me the efficiency of the tractor. Is this a valid test? I think everyone here would say "yes". Did we measure the heat that was lost through the radiator? No. Did we measure the power used to drive the cooling fan and alternator? No. Did we measure the energy lost operating the hydraulic pump or heating the transmission? No. Same thing when you test a perpetual motion machine: You don't get to take credit for energy that's wasted. That's the definition of efficiency: USEFUL Output divided by Input.
 
Maybe you'd better start collecting big batteries to store all the extra electricity. Does the gas tank start overflowing after running that tractor a half hour or so?
 
Mark, I think thats why a machine that purports to create more energy then it consumes violates like the first or third law of Thermodynamics having to do with Heat Lost = Heat Gained. The friction heat losses just cant be captured and reused so therefore the energy out is less then energy in due to friction heat losses. The heat lost by the input does NOT all get transferred to power the output device.

But hey, poor Teddy is entited to his opinions even if they are dead wrong, who are we to try and educate him lol

John T
 
Yes, you have a valid point for the efficiency of the tractor. But lets be honest here. Put yourself in Joe's shoes. Lets say you built a device that goes against conventional teaching. A prototype is built to prove your theory. In your testing you found the total output greater than the imput. The point of testing is to prove ( overunity or not) weather it is useful or wasted is beside the point. In that test I pointed out that there was no report on the light output. Since when is light energy wasted? I also pointed out that there was no measurement of the mechanical energy. Since when is the torque of a rotating shaft wasted energy? Also I pointed out that the heat of the resisters that were added (which are not part of the machine) is wasted energy? Here in Mn. we pay plenty for heat all winter. Also I pointed out that no measurements were made of the radio frequency (even though I am sure it was an annoyance to his neighbors) of the prototype. Even a small walkie talkie needs a battery. To make the test fair, all the output should have been measured. If it was your prototype, would you still feel it was a fair and honest test? I think not. The test was not for the effiency of the machine. Let the marketplace decide. I say issue the patent. If he has nothing, it will fall by the wayside. If he has something, can it be developed into something useful. I don't remember who replied with the right hand left hand rule when I asked how does the current know which way to go when a wire is passed through a magnetic field. Those are the observed effects. Years ago, people thought the sun moved around the earth. The observed effects sure make it look like it. But that was proven wrong. I am not saying the left & right hand rule is wrong, but it doesn't answer the question. There seems to be a lot of mysterys about electricy and magnetism and until that is 100% understood those rules cannot be set in stone.Have a good night.
 
(quoted from post at 23:32:37 05/24/10) Yes, you have a valid point for the efficiency of the tractor. But lets be honest here. Put yourself in Joe's shoes. Lets say you built a device that goes against conventional teaching. A prototype is built to prove your theory. In your testing you found the total output greater than the imput. The point of testing is to prove ( overunity or not) weather it is useful or wasted is beside the point. In that test I pointed out that there was no report on the light output. Since when is light energy wasted? I also pointed out that there was no measurement of the mechanical energy. Since when is the torque of a rotating shaft wasted energy? Also I pointed out that the heat of the resisters that were added (which are not part of the machine) is wasted energy? Here in Mn. we pay plenty for heat all winter. Also I pointed out that no measurements were made of the radio frequency (even though I am sure it was an annoyance to his neighbors) of the prototype. Even a small walkie talkie needs a battery. To make the test fair, all the output should have been measured. If it was your prototype, would you still feel it was a fair and honest test? I think not. The test was not for the effiency of the machine. Let the marketplace decide. I say issue the patent. If he has nothing, it will fall by the wayside. If he has something, can it be developed into something useful. I don't remember who replied with the right hand left hand rule when I asked how does the current know which way to go when a wire is passed through a magnetic field. Those are the observed effects. Years ago, people thought the sun moved around the earth. The observed effects sure make it look like it. But that was proven wrong. I am not saying the left & right hand rule is wrong, but it doesn't answer the question. There seems to be a lot of mysterys about electricy and magnetism and until that is 100% understood those rules cannot be set in stone.Have a good night.
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id you even read the test procedure & look at test set up diagram? There were no lights. The heat from the resistors? That was measured as power out of his 'machine' into the resistors....what do you want to do ? Count that twice? Probably still wouldn't make it to his claim. He says he has a Mexican patent & people are using his machine secretly to avoid paying him royalties, so what good would another patent do him? You can sell something without a patent, you know. And without a patent someone can copy it, manufacture & sell millions of the wunnerful 'machines'. Gee, I wonder why neither has happened over the last 30 years? Could there be a reason? Like it is a hoax?
 
Teddy, you bring up an interesting point: Why not just give the guy a break and grant him a patent. Certainly the patent office has granted patents to hundreds of thousands of devices that are equally undeserving. We'll ignore for a moment that the USPTO refuses to even consider any invention that makes perpetual motion claims.

Here's the deal: Scientific breakthroughs are made not so much when a single researcher makes a discovery, but rather when other, independent researchers confirm those findings. Einstein's theories were really just so much math until astronomers and physicists made observations that confirmed those theories. Remember Fleischmann and Pons? They were two guys who claimed they had created nuclear fusion at room temperature. Had their claims be validated, they would both have won Nobel prizes. The problem was, nobody else could reproduce their findings. Now these are two very smart guys, but today they are the poster children for what happens if you make claims that nobody else can reproduce.
Cold Fusion
 
That should be printed at the bottom of the claim list on those heater boxes that supposedly heat a room for less than your furnace.
Every one I know that tried them said the electric bill went thru the roof.
Maybe they just got a bad one. ;.(
 
You've got that right!

There's an old joke I could tell, but don't want to become more anti-American than I already am.

OT: Baby must be getting closer to home every day now.

Keep us up to date.
 
Fusion does not output more energy than is put in any more than burning cord wood outputs more energy than is put in - in both cases it's merely extraction/conversion of the energy that's already present. No one claims that a wood stove defies the laws of physics...
 
Well! You just hit the nail on the head. Joe and his machine are tapping in on that energy on a small scale basis.
 
E=mc2. Teddy, are you infering that Joe's machine is creating nuclear fusion. Or perhaps you don't understand that equation. This is going from the rediculous to the sublime.
 
The magnetic field of a PM comes from the atoms of the material. E=MC squared. Likewise the field around a wire carrying juice comes from the atoms of the conductor. No fizzle physics. Clean, non poluting no hazardus waste energy. Joe's machine is tapping into that energy. What is in a magnetic field is moving at C and spinning at C. It is the smallest endity of matter. It is matter in motion, just like a moving stream of water. Joe's machine is like putting a water wheel in that stream to harnous that energy. His machine doesn't look like a water wheel but works like one in harvesting the energy in a magnetic field. The imput from the batteries is just a trigger to cause the material(copper coil) to release or create the field. Just like a match is used to lite a firecracker. the power of the explosion comes from the chemicals in the FC & not from the match. That same match can set off a traincarload of dynamite. Likewise with his machine, the bigger he builds them the more they produce with the same imput. He has proven this over and over in his prototypes. It is not I repeat NOT a perpetual motion machine. Never was never will be. The naysayers labeled it as such. Thanks for the time. Any more intelligent questions?
 
(quoted from post at 15:00:10 05/25/10) E=mc2. Teddy, are you infering that Joe's machine is creating nuclear fusion. Or perhaps you don't understand that equation. This is going from the rediculous to the sublime.
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bsurd & preposterous are good words, too.

The quotation, I believe was applied to religion, but for teddy52 & most posters to this thread, it appears to also apply.

"For those who do believe, no proof is necessary.
For those who do not believe, no proof is possible."
Stuart Chase
 
I am glad we are getting some agreement here. If his machine didn't amount to anything, why is he getting so much resistance? Why did big oil offer him hundreds of millions of dollars? He told them to go to hades knowing if they bought it out ,the people would never see it. As I understand the guys in Austrailia(lutec) may have used Joe's technology to produce their overunity machine. I heard they didn't get far & sold out to a power company group in China & it will not be available to the public. Please check out the link about the battle with the patent office & get back to me . Pay attention to the report of the special master. Thanks.
 
I did not ask for a definition of electricity and magnatism. A simple yes or no would have sufficed.
Most people equate that formula with Einstein and the "Bomb"
 
Thats it. I've had enough. I am going out and change the hydraulic fluid in the tri-directional steering of my Essex TD. A guy can only take just so much of this.
 
Well, I am sorry I over-educated you. It is the same energy that keeps the earth turning 24 hours a day & the sun once every 28 days.
 
>"For those who do believe, no proof is necessary."

JMOR, I think Teddy and Joe Newman should start a new religion based on their outlandish science fiction. Hey, it worked for L. Ron Hubbard. L. Ron had "thetans" and Crackpot Joe has "gyroscopic particles". Sounds close enough to me.
L. Ron Hubbard
 
"It is the same energy that keeps the earth turning 24 hours a day & the sun once every 28 days."

Oh good grief! The earth was set spinning back at the begining of time, as was the sun. Given enough time they will eventually come grinding to a halt as there isn't any further energy input into the direction of rotation. Of course before that happens the sun will run low on fuel, shrink, compact, and explode. But the rotaion of the earth hasn't a thing to do with your invention.
 
Fusion or fission reactor are both subject to the laws of thermodynamics.
A fission reactor makes heat splitting large heavy atoms apart into smaller fragments.
An analogy would be to a compost pile breaking down complex matter into simple and giving off heat.
 
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