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JayinNY

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Heard on the radio this morning that now toyota is finding trouble with the steering on the Camearys, (how ever its spelled) What next?
They also said Toyota was running ads in news papers across the country, saw one in the NY Post, and again in the WSJ today. Anybody else see them in there news papers?
 
I saw on the news last night that the Corolla had steering problems. Now the Camery? Newscaster said that the Corolla was the best selling car in the world. The camery used to be the best selling. Did the news just get them mixed up or are both giving problems?
 
I only heard Camery, but they could have said the Corella at another point in time. Dunno maybe I just dident hear that.
 
we have an 09 camry in the shop here right now. looking at the gas pedal, there is no mechanical connection between it and the fuel injector control. all fly by wire. i am kinda thinking this is going to be a software problem or and electronic sensor problem with the vehicles and not a sticky gas pedal.
 
Ya Dave your right. I just saw Corella steering in the paper, Raido guy must have mistakenley said the Camery.
 
We hear so much about the Govenrment getting involved in so much of our lives. I am totally against Big Government.
However, if adults that run and make decisons in companies cannot and will not be honest with us, how else can it be delt with?
 
Just wait until they go to steer-by-wire...the technology's out there already, it's just that nobody wants to be the first to get sued when it all goes haywire.
 
Its called sliegh of hand, distract you over here while we figure out the real problem over there.?? I never bought into the floor mat, and sticky pedal. Seemed like a more complaicted problem to me., electronic or computer troubles.
 
Wonder how soon Toyota will cry "uncle" and agree not to close the assembly plant in California......and agree to consider allowing UAW to unionize all it's U.S. assembly plants ?
 
Yeah, after all...the problem isn't the product that can kill you when you use it properly, it's the fact that government regulations make manufacturers DO something to fix these poor designs when their cars start killing people. If we'd just leave them alone, there'd be profits for everyone AND a solution to global overpopulation.
 
Toyota is a very large and very successful capitalistic entity. It is also non union excepting the small former NUMI plant that it inherited from GM which is scheduled for closure due to high costs.

Is it any wonder that they are under attack from the socialistic administration?

Dean
 
We have had fly by wire aircraft for years. I would guess that a car would be a little less risky than an aircraft that goes 500 MPH?
The real problem is that, like too many businesses, they got intoxicated on making every stinking penny they could make, at the expense of quality.
It always bites them in the butt.............and they always blame anything else but their own lies and greed.
 
There was a story on the news last night, that Toyota hired an independent research firm to check the fly by wire electronics on the car.

Said they could find no flaw in the software or hardware except for the CTS gas pedal unit. It seems that the cars equipped with the Denso brand pedal assys are not having any problems.

It appears that Toyota must have allowed CTS to use their own design, as the Denso unit is a very different design. If the design was Toyota's, I would think both would be the same design ?
I think the US suppliers need to get a handle on their quality control, bad Pedal assys from CTS in Illinois, cracked new drive shafts on pickups From Dana holding corp, both US made.

Their does not seem to be much if any info out yet as to what the steering problem is.
 
Yep when the gov. made them have to keep the smog down and that in turn caused things like computer being put on cars and trucks went down hill. Any time you depend on wiring then you have problems and all it takes if one mouse to screw things up big time. Why can't they do the right thing and go back to the KISS principle.
And as far as unions that is what has priced jobs right out of the U.S. and sent them to Mexico etc etc. When a guy gets payed $25 per hour for a job a well trained money can do that is getting bad and that is what the unions have done and yes at one time they where good but they got carried away just like the gov has
 
Old, you must not be keeping up. With UAW new hires getting $13 an hour, and Toyota new hires getting $18-$22 an hour, it ain't the union jobs that are high paying anymore. And the UAW plants are laying off/buying out the older folks who are making more money, so there's not as many of them as there used to be, either.
 
There may well be something to that, Toyota may have been running on their reputation of quality and got sloppy about actually checking the quality of parts supplied to them.

Toyota's part of the blame is that they designed the gas pedal to run too close to the floor so slobs could jam it by pushing the floor mat into it.
I give them credit for finding a quick simple fix for the CTS pedal assys that they can make and install in a matter of weeks, to get the bad ones off the road.
A little additional testing or inspection might have prevented the problem though.
They claim that it took time / dust / moisture to make the defect show up, so maybe short term testing where the unit was cycled X number millions of times would not show the problem caused by long term exposure to dust and moisture.
I hope they get things fixed. I have had my first Toyota for 8 months. That Prius is the best working / driving car I have ever owned.
I am puzzled by the reports of an ABS problem with the Prius. After hearing about it, I tried very hard to make mine screw up on very rough or slippery roads covered with compacted snow and ice. I cant get the brakes to do anything they were not intended to do ??
 
Funny you should talk about wires. I just watched a show the other day, Minutes from diaster, I think it was, were cracked insulation on wires in a 747 TWA 800 plane caught a near empty fuel tank on firs. High voltage wires that were cracked, jumped spark to low voltage wires going into the fuel tank, and caused a fatal explosin. Pretty good show.
 
(quoted from post at 18:48:15 02/18/10) we have an 09 camry in the shop here right now. looking at the gas pedal, there is no mechanical connection between it and the fuel injector control. all fly by wire. i am kinda thinking this is going to be a software problem or and electronic sensor problem with the vehicles and not a sticky gas pedal.
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Glennster, every car built in the last 10 to 15 years or so is set up like that.
My 2001 chevy K-3500 is drive by wire.
 
Did Every one FOR GET December 7 1941 !!!!!!!!! I have and Will Never Buy JAP CARS OR TRUCKS !A LOT OF GUY's DIED THAT DAY,AND MANY MORE TO THE WAR'S END.THOSE GUYS DIDN'T GET A SECOND CHANCE !
 
I do not disagree with your positon, but have you seen the "real" details about what really happened that day and days leading up to it? It is not like we were taught in school, many important details left out.
Not to disrespect any one that was killed or injured, but "we felt" it was our way in to the war. Dig the real details.
 
Mostly true but the irreparable damage was done long before the unions agreed to ANY concessions.

BTDT.

Dean
 
The new hires get that because the guys with "seniority" are screwing them over. Aint that nice of the union to look out for the best interest of its workers?
 
gas pedal problem was the pedal has a gear that turns a electrical potentiomter. the design has some openings where the fuzz from the floor mats can get into the gears. the fuzz if it gets into the gears will cause them to jam and prevent the spring from fully returning the pedal to the off(idle) position. the fix is simply to place a shim into the hole that covers the gears so no fuzz or dirt or matts or bugs or other foriegn matter can get into the gear assembly. The assembly is mounted to the fire wall with an insulated mat against the firewall all around the pedal with fuzzy insulation that can touch and or be pulled into the holes and into the gears... This insulation mat is mounted on the fire wall on most all cars to keep the noise and heat down. In this case, the fuzzy insulation touches the gas pedal assembly or is next to the gas pedal.

are you starting to see how simple the problem is??

Most cars will never have a problem,, a few will have fuzzy insulation too close, other cars will have someone push or somehow pressue the insulation pad by pulling a wire for a sterio, and accidently push fuzzy insulation into the pedal gear assembly.

why are there little holes to let the fuzz in??

That is the the basic problem. again, the fix is a small shim that slides in and covers the gears so no fuzz and get between the gears and jam them. They could have simply took a pair of sissors and cut the insulation fuzz mat away from the assembly as well but the shim is a better fix from liability standpoint.
 
If Toyota was an American owened Co and tryed to hide everything for as long as Toyota did what would the outcry from the public be?
 
Yea What kind of Details ? THEY STILL DID IT ! Yea we needed to get in the war to get it over with,But NOT ON THERE TERMS .COWARDS !!!
 
They're the same SOB's that bombed Pearl Harbor, conducted the Bataan Death March, et al. Some things never change.
 
Your so far out there arnt you. I agree that some things from the past are better. But my Diesel tractors made in the past 15 years are by far alot better than stuff from years ago..

N series fords were junk, pure junk, work them hard and in two years the engine was shot. I mean on a real farm, not these guys who are weekend warriors and have a wife with a job in town. With the new computer controlled cars I can plug in a scanner and in a few mintues know the exact problem. I remember back in the day when some one brough in a car a pro mechanic might take 3 hours to find the problem. Fuel injection is way better. If you dont like technology does that mean you are using a typewriter to post to this forum? What do you have for tractors and vehicles?
 
You sounds like you do not have a clue as to who your talking to.
6 years as a Navy E.T, computer repair and programing, then after that computer repair and programing for a company. I have done TV/Radio repair also.
What I am saying is there is a place for all of it and a wire op throttle system does not below on a car or truck. Computers have there place but not in cars to the point that they do more then the person does. I have been around the block far to many times to have a kid as your self tell me off
 
check engine light came on in my 98 jeep shortly after I bought it, didn't feel like messin with it yet so took it to goodyear, they scanned it and told me it needed fuel injection system cleaned. Did that and that did not fix it. took it back and said it was the oxygen sensor, replaced that, did not fix it. finally they tell me its the fuel pump and had them replace that. fixed it for a week till it started starting hard, took it back and turns out the aftermarket (chinese) fuel pump they put in melted the pressure regulator (mounted on top of pump). Eventually got a oem one put in.
 
I am not telling you off, you did not explain your post very well. I think we are on the same page, by the way, you never to old to learn. lol
 
Very true and I have gone back to college a time or 2 since I got out of the navy and got 3.8-4.0 grades when I did and took electronic courses then. Sad thing is now days the way they build cars and trucks with all this computer control on them a simple fix will cost you more then what a new car would cost in say 1971 ya in some ways they are better but in many ways they are worse. .I.E. a few years ago if the ECM went bad on a Cadillac and I'm talking the early 90s it cost $2500 for one and that is more then a new car cost in say 71.
Computers have there place but not in a car.
Plus what ever happened to the cars that got 40-60MPG that where made in the 50,60,and 70s yes they had a good number of them back then
 
So your talking only about on instance that you have had. I have had my cars in the shop before and it was simple fixes. I ll take the newer stuff for the most part but agree with you about the computer doing stuff we are suppose to do.
I work ground with Case IH 535 Steiger. around 580 hp articulate. the throttle and gearshift are all fly by wire. It is computered controlled. Not having linkages enter the cab for controls reduces the noise in the cab. I dont have any problems with it. The clutch may be fly by wire but not sure. I work about 200 acres a day. How many 9ns would it take to do all that work. lol
 
What cars got that kind of mileage? You gonna have to have some proof to convince me
I have a 300 hp Dodge Cummins diesel that gets 20mpg. 24mpg if you baby it a little. Had a pontiac grand am with 3100 that got 27mpg.
Well then...just who am I talking to, tell me your background. I am not trying to fight here but some of the people I know you had a 4.0 gpa were dumb as bricks and some were very gifted.
 
Jon, it sounds like CTS had the pedals manufactured by a Canadian company and built to toyota specs. I believe that they are also recalling some toyotas in Europe

The faulty part was manufactured by Indiana-based supplier CTS Corp. (NYSE:CTS) at a plant in Mississauga, just west of Toronto. CTS said Toyota accounts for only three per cent of its annual sales.
 
First mistake; took it to Goodyear. We had one here. Problem was, they couldn't remember what they said they'd put on and tried to put on the same stuff a short time later when it was taken back. Especially front end parts, ball joints and the like.
They're gone. Good riddens.
 
Well lets start with the old and probably the smallest one which was a BMW single door which got over 70mpg and would do around 75 mile per hour. Then there was the king midget again very small but got 60 or so MPG, and then the Renault's like the Dalphine, R8 and R10 that got 40-60 MPG and the Simca. The first 2 where just 2 seaters but the last ones where 4 to 6 people cars. And there where a lot more. Shoot the old Chev vaga got 35MPG and the pinto ya Nader s problem child and there are many many more
 
My only Prius experience is with a 2010 model.
They made some big changes to them, compared to 09 and down.
I have heard the same complaint from others that drove /rode in an 09 or older, but ride was one of the dozens of changes they made to the 10 model.
If you get a chance, ride in a 2010 model and see if it changes your opinion.
The magazine stories say that better ride and better seats are the most noticible change with the 10 model

They still have the hard, low rolling resistance tires with 35 psi in them on a very light car.
That does put a little rumble in the ride.
 
I believe your right, as the article I read said the throttle control units were built at the CTS plant in Ontario.
It would be interesting to know which brand throttle control is on the recalled cars in Europe ?
 
What would have been [blank] policy if the [blank] did NOT attack [what's in the crown]???. censorship is running riot.
 
Get over it.That was 60 years ago.My Dad was in WW2 but he never held a grudge.He never said a thing when we bought our first Toyota.
 
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