Allis 190 diesel for hobby farm

everyone, thanks for all the help so far.

still shopping for a tractor for hobby farm; drilling tree holes, tilling, mowing, snow removal

Allis 190 Diesel a good option? price is $3500 asking.

Run from that pos.

Does not have a live PTO, friend has one and hard to do anything with, known for jumping out of gear and taking off.

I have a D19 diesel (predecessor to the 190) on a ten acre acreage adjoining the larger family farm operation which is leased out.

I also have an H Farmall with a bucket loader. I'd be hard put to recommend that D19 as the only tractor on an acreage or hobby farm.

we have a 190 xt series 111 and its a great tractor it dose jump out of 6 when going down a hill but other than that a great tractor all we use it for is putting out hay its retired

We have one at our farm and it is a fairly nice tractor for its age. Ours does not happen to jump out of gear, the transmission is good. We have 2 of them and we had to spend a lot of money to get the other one fixed, it jumped out of both 3rd and 4th gear. Neither one of them will start when the temp is below 50. We have block heaters and we plug them in. These tractors have a 2 speed power shift with a neutral in between, that is how you get the live PTO from them. It is not as good as a true LIVE PTO. IS the tractor your looking at a 190 or a 190XT? The 190XT has a turbo like ours. I think the transmission might last better on the 190 without the turbo. They sure have a lot of power for their size. If the transmission does not jump out of any gear and the power shift worked good and didn't slip, motor starts and runs good, hydraulics worked good, etc. then I would look at it. Parts for them are getting harder to come by. Road gear is about 12 maybe 14 mph, they are slow. . As you know they can be famous for jumping out of gear. The one we had to get fixed, you couldn't even hold it in gear. Just my thoughts.

That price would be at the very least,top dollar. Somebody down below mentioned that they don't have live PTO. They kinda do,but you have to use a hand clutch to stop the tractor while keeping the PTO running. Good luck getting used to that. Kind of a big tractor for a hobby farm.
What happened to the Fordson Dexta? That one would be my choice if it's in good shape.

still considering the dexta. thx. for help.

I would be looking for a MF 135 or 165.

If you can afford it, I would get something newer, diesel, loader, 4wd. I have a Farmall H, great tractor, but I intend to buy a new kubota pretty soon. Much more user friendly.

I have 6 acres, sort of a hobby farm type of thing. I'd love to get new Kubota but just can't imagine the payments. I have a David Brown 880e with a loader. When you have the loader and the brush hog on, that sucker is 24-27 feet long. Lots of power, but hard to get around things. I'd like a smaller tractor someday, but am spoiled by the larger one already.

how about a late 1650 Oliver (with direct injection) I sure liked mine, it was handy around the yard but had enough power to do something if needed. I thought it was a nice compromise for power, handiness and size. Sorry , I am not an ac man, friend had a 190xt that had probably been worked hard before he bought it but it gave him lots of problems with the trans. ect.

If you are leaning towards AC, you probably want to be somewhere in between the D14 and 190.
I just saw a 170 with cab and loader on craigslist. A lot more than you want to spend, but I would guess about the right size. It doesn't have the limitations of the D14, and not apt to have as many issues as a worn out 190.

A 190 or 190XT are pretty big tractors at close to 100HP and if you have less then say 50 acres it would be way way way over kill. Ya I had one at one time nice if and only if they where the later series and had no tranny problems very common for them to jump out of gear which is not good. If I remember right you have around 40 acres so a tractor in the 40-60HP range is enough and for that matter having 2 smaller tractors in that range is better then having one big one. I know I could never get by with just one tractor

I'm an Oliver man too,but if he wants to auger holes with it,the centerlink setup on the 1650 doesn't work with a 3pt auger.

From this and the post below, I'm guessing that I won't be seeing you at a "Gathering of the Orange" anytime soon. . .

The 190 was a good tractor if not abused. But that's a big "if." A lot of people would try to shift them like a synchronized transmission, and like one would expect, they began jumping out of gear later on. The parts to fix it are still available (gear, collar, and shift fork (sometimes it's only the shift fork or detent). The problem was the transmission detents are set so there's not much tolerance for any rounding of the teeth on the gear or collars. Some people have found a way to move the detent by welding and remachining, I think, the railings in the shifter housing (it's something in the shifter housing), and a lot of the time, this will take care of one that's just barely jumping out of gear. The very early 190xt's had some trouble with differential and transmissions because it was a transmission designed for 70hp put behind an engine that was supposed to put out 95 PTO hp, but in many cases, came from the factory turning 110+ hp.

As for the engine, the 301 is a good engine, but they can experience cavitation if the coolant is not maintained. If the tractor has a coolant conditioner on it, you are probably ok. They are a smaller brute tractor. Pretty basic, but nothing fancy, just made to get done the work a 100hp tractor should be able to get done. You have to remember, these tractors are 40-45 years old now, and like any other brand of tractors, you'll find some basket cases out there that will leave a bad taste, but you can also find ones that were taken care of that will continue to serve a hobby farmer well.

Hurst

i agree or a ford 2000,0r3000

There is no such thing as too big a tractor if you are in snow country, like northwest Iowa and you have to get to work everyday.

I have a motor for one ,, if you know where i can find a 185 or bigger , holler back ,

PTO is live- not independent. If you can stop the wheels without stopping the pto- it is live. Starting the pto irregardless of wheel motion is independent.