I saw on Yahoo where a family who moved from Miami to North Dakota for work were "going home" because they didn't fit in. Typical isn't it? Folks who think somebody has an idilic lifestyle and find out it's not for them? Not compairing N.D. to Hooterville,all you have to do is look at where I live in Michigan,but you'd think some folks would at least watch an episode or 2 to see what it's like for strangers to move into tight knit communities.
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glennster
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i read that this morning. the "townspeople " didnt accept them was their complaint. went on to say they drove in to town in a new lexus, the husband was wearing a big gold chain and a rolex watch, and the opened a "bistro" type coffee shop. townfolk thought he was some kind of drug dealer. feller could of used a slap on the back of the head and a big "YA THINK DINOZO???" to quote ncis.
That's just the way it was around here before the "Michigan Depression" hit. Folks would come here,then wanted to turn it into just what they had left where they came from. Then we were some kind of hicks or something for not being like them. They wanted local laws and regulations changed to what they were "back home". Welt...this here ain't back home,is it?
Northbender
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I read that story also. Had to say I got quite a kick out of it, being as I moved from a 500,000+ pop. city to just outside a small 1100 pop. town. We planned on fixing up the property and moving back to the big city. Well 17 years and two kids later you'll have to drag my dead corpse outta here, ain't going back to the city. I would have to admit I felt like an outsider for awhile, but that was just me, cause everybody knew me and took me awhile to figure out who everyone else was. Still learning. As a matter of fact, our house burned to the ground in April of 2009 and I have been slowly building a new one and have had alot of people tell us that they are glad we are rebuilding and staying here. I may not have been born and raised here, but I have definitely been made to feel like its my hometown now. But I didn't walk into town with a chip on my shoulder either.
Anonymous-0
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Happens everyplace, the lieberal SOBs come down here from yankeeland, then start preaching to the locals about how unenlightened and provincial they are, and how things would be so much better if ONLY we could see the error of our uneducated, backwoods, ways.
Yes, I am talking about 'people' like the yuppies, wanna-bee farmers, and small time gardeners that make up about 95 percent of the idiocy on this site.
Yes, I am talking about 'people' like the yuppies, wanna-bee farmers, and small time gardeners that make up about 95 percent of the idiocy on this site.
My favorite is morons who move to rural areas, build big fancy homes and then start whining to the sheriffs department about tractors on the roads, smoke from burning off stubble fields and farmers spraying chemicals. Then they can't sell the expensive houses they built when they want to leave.
Allan in NE
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Yep,
Been there and done that.
However,some things in this life just go better unsaid, so I'll refrain from relating how I was treated up there.
Allan
Been there and done that.
However,some things in this life just go better unsaid, so I'll refrain from relating how I was treated up there.
Allan
Goose
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It's been my observation over the years, in general, that the people who gush over how great it is to live in a small town have never actually grown up in a small town.
A small town CAN be a great place to live. It can also be a vindictive he11 hole, depending on one's origins.
A kid with the "right" last name, from the "right" side of town can be a totally worthless dopehead, and people, authorities included, will shrug it off and say, "After all, he's a Jones. He'll outgrow it one of these days".
Another kid from the "wrong" side of town, with the "wrong" last name can pull himself up by his own bootstraps, earn a Phd in a scientific field, become noted nationally in his field, and to the people in his howmetown he'll still be forever branded as "one of them no-account Smiths from over yonder".
I mean no ill to anyone with the name Jones or Smith, I used the names as an illustration. As much as they like to crow an opposite story, most small towns still seem to be extremely cliquish.
As far as the scene in Hazelton, ND, I can very well see it happening. I see it happening in our own church, as far as that goes. The church leaders and high profile members talk encessantly about "outreach to the community" and "stewardship" with the intention of attracting new members. Yet I've seen family after family join the church and leave in disgust a year later because no one in an official capacity has ever made them feel welcome.
My rant for the day.
A small town CAN be a great place to live. It can also be a vindictive he11 hole, depending on one's origins.
A kid with the "right" last name, from the "right" side of town can be a totally worthless dopehead, and people, authorities included, will shrug it off and say, "After all, he's a Jones. He'll outgrow it one of these days".
Another kid from the "wrong" side of town, with the "wrong" last name can pull himself up by his own bootstraps, earn a Phd in a scientific field, become noted nationally in his field, and to the people in his howmetown he'll still be forever branded as "one of them no-account Smiths from over yonder".
I mean no ill to anyone with the name Jones or Smith, I used the names as an illustration. As much as they like to crow an opposite story, most small towns still seem to be extremely cliquish.
As far as the scene in Hazelton, ND, I can very well see it happening. I see it happening in our own church, as far as that goes. The church leaders and high profile members talk encessantly about "outreach to the community" and "stewardship" with the intention of attracting new members. Yet I've seen family after family join the church and leave in disgust a year later because no one in an official capacity has ever made them feel welcome.
My rant for the day.
Ah yes sell that California shack for a half a million and buy a 10 acre brush patch to build a 450 thousand dollar mc mansion on. Then politic for planning and zoning to stop the farmers from raising live stock. Should have stayed in OZ and left us hillbillies alone. Hope the door dosen't hit them in the back side as they leave. No I am not a native, but I have spent 40 years living and working in this community, and I care about it and its people.
Im not sure what to say here completly, Im a city boy by what you guys would consider a city, But be that is it may I can not help where i was born or raised, And from the age of 10 on i worked for a neighbor on the farm, Joined FFA in high school, Went to high school for Agricultal mechanics, Now im in college with a job back home waiting for me at a john deere dealership. There is nothing i want more then to move out into the country and own land, I have planed my life acordingly to make that dream possible and plan on graduating with a 4 year degree in agricultural engineering, and move somewhere where i can make a living while residing in the country. Point being is, i know what its like to live in the city and then i come to college thats in a small town (maybe not that small) but pretty small, And its what i want. I know what its like to get up at 5 in the morning to go work on the farm, hand planting corn with a hand planter acre by acre. I would say that when i finally move into the country i will be happy there ill try my best to fit in, I think i should im not a hard person to get along with and treat everyone i meet with the kindness and respect they deserve. Some people that dont know what its like to work for something could find country life daunting, I wont. The one thing I want the most is to settle down with the woman i love, Live where i want to live and enjoy the life im working so hard to make for myself 8)
Sorry for the long rant, I guess i got alittle away from myself.... Also sorry for not using capital I's its a bad habit with the computer
Sorry for the long rant, I guess i got alittle away from myself.... Also sorry for not using capital I's its a bad habit with the computer
I used to live in the Pacific Northwest and worked for a Navy base there.
The Navy would interview an individual from California or Florida or a midwestern state in August. Now the Pacific Northwest is drop dead gorgeous in August--high 70's to low 90's for temperature, minium rain and the trees/grass are green right down to the blue water. Of course these individuals would take the job THEN in September it would start to rain and by April or May, with it still raining, those same individuals would be "going home" feeling like they had been snookered and very depressed.
The Navy would interview an individual from California or Florida or a midwestern state in August. Now the Pacific Northwest is drop dead gorgeous in August--high 70's to low 90's for temperature, minium rain and the trees/grass are green right down to the blue water. Of course these individuals would take the job THEN in September it would start to rain and by April or May, with it still raining, those same individuals would be "going home" feeling like they had been snookered and very depressed.
Miami to North Dakota for work and now "going home"-- MAYBE they can"t handle a little (OK, not so little) snow and cold? Comments about locals "freezing them out" could mean Mama Nature gave them "Cold Shoulder?" OK ,I"ll stop with the weather PUNishment. But- it might be a factor, lots of would be homesteaders from city get a little nervous when snow banks stay for a couple days in front yard and they find out no city snow plows going to come dig them out. RN
Anonymous-0
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Seen that around here also.
One of my high school classmates came from a family that, to be kind, had a propensity for alcohol. The kid, OTOH, excelled in his classes--he was crushed when he was beaten out of the valedectorian position by a few thousandths of a point--and was an excellent athlete on both the track and cross country teams.
When the kid went to college--on a full-ride scholarship, because of his grades--his lifestyle didn't change, nor did his work ethic. He became a doctor, and opened a family practive in a neighboring city...because of the attitudes in his home community about what his last name was and who his family was. So now in the home community, a certain faction resents hom ecause he didn't come "back home" and "give back"...to the community that offered him little in the way of hope or encouragement when he was growing up. He's still one of the cleanest-living people I know, and I'm proud to have shared the same classrooms with him.
MY son moved to Georgia and married about a year ago. Never the one to respond well to religious instruction, he called and asked me the other day if I had a problem with his being baptized and joiing his local church. While it's not the denomination I grew up in, nor the one I most recently attend, I encouraged him to do what's right for HIM. I told him that if he has no disagreement with what the church teaches and believes, and if he feels comfortable and welcome with the people there, then that's exactly where he belongs. So his baptism is scheduled for this coming Sunday, which is also his first wedding anniversary...and while I won't be able to attend, I'm really proud of him for making the committment.
One of my high school classmates came from a family that, to be kind, had a propensity for alcohol. The kid, OTOH, excelled in his classes--he was crushed when he was beaten out of the valedectorian position by a few thousandths of a point--and was an excellent athlete on both the track and cross country teams.
When the kid went to college--on a full-ride scholarship, because of his grades--his lifestyle didn't change, nor did his work ethic. He became a doctor, and opened a family practive in a neighboring city...because of the attitudes in his home community about what his last name was and who his family was. So now in the home community, a certain faction resents hom ecause he didn't come "back home" and "give back"...to the community that offered him little in the way of hope or encouragement when he was growing up. He's still one of the cleanest-living people I know, and I'm proud to have shared the same classrooms with him.
MY son moved to Georgia and married about a year ago. Never the one to respond well to religious instruction, he called and asked me the other day if I had a problem with his being baptized and joiing his local church. While it's not the denomination I grew up in, nor the one I most recently attend, I encouraged him to do what's right for HIM. I told him that if he has no disagreement with what the church teaches and believes, and if he feels comfortable and welcome with the people there, then that's exactly where he belongs. So his baptism is scheduled for this coming Sunday, which is also his first wedding anniversary...and while I won't be able to attend, I'm really proud of him for making the committment.
cj in wisconsin
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Problem is most of these morons don't try to "fit in", they try to move in and change all the toothless gun totin' rednecks to their way of thinking. See it all the time around here with the Twin Citiots that move here from Minneapolis St Paul. Most go away, and the smart ones mind their own business and eventually find a great home and nice place to live.
Goose
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I'll expound on my above rant about how small towns operate.
Thirty years ago, I took a job as Buildings and Grounds Supervisor for a public school district in a town 14 miles down the road from the town where I had grown up, where I had gone to school, and where I was living at the time. The district consisted of three campuses in two towns. I took over the job from a local fellow who had retired, and who had done the same things, the same way, with the same people for 25 years.
I began using new technology, new techniques, and upgraded the equipment. Were the local taxpayers impressed because I was doing the job more efficiently and saving them money in the process? Not on your life. Nothing I did was right. I lasted five years, and when I left the only time I could recall that someone had said anything positive about my efforts was once before a football game, one of the board members told me the football field looked nice.
My successor on the job was a local man who had gone through the same school system and was, in fact, still living in the same house he grew up in three blocks from the high school. The way he ran things was an exact continuum of the way I had. I know this for a fact because for the next several years he called me occasionally for advice. (I had no bone to pick with him personally, I always played it straight).
The local public was impressed with the way he was doing the job to a point of writing letters to the editor of the local paper praising him.
Now, people have commented over the years that I'm easy to talk to and not hard to get along with. So, really the only difference in this scene is the fact that both my predecessor and my successor were lifelong residents of that same town and I wasn't, even though I grew up and went to school only 14 miles away.
And that, my friends, is the way small towns work, whether anyone wants to look in the mirror and admit it or not.
Thirty years ago, I took a job as Buildings and Grounds Supervisor for a public school district in a town 14 miles down the road from the town where I had grown up, where I had gone to school, and where I was living at the time. The district consisted of three campuses in two towns. I took over the job from a local fellow who had retired, and who had done the same things, the same way, with the same people for 25 years.
I began using new technology, new techniques, and upgraded the equipment. Were the local taxpayers impressed because I was doing the job more efficiently and saving them money in the process? Not on your life. Nothing I did was right. I lasted five years, and when I left the only time I could recall that someone had said anything positive about my efforts was once before a football game, one of the board members told me the football field looked nice.
My successor on the job was a local man who had gone through the same school system and was, in fact, still living in the same house he grew up in three blocks from the high school. The way he ran things was an exact continuum of the way I had. I know this for a fact because for the next several years he called me occasionally for advice. (I had no bone to pick with him personally, I always played it straight).
The local public was impressed with the way he was doing the job to a point of writing letters to the editor of the local paper praising him.
Now, people have commented over the years that I'm easy to talk to and not hard to get along with. So, really the only difference in this scene is the fact that both my predecessor and my successor were lifelong residents of that same town and I wasn't, even though I grew up and went to school only 14 miles away.
And that, my friends, is the way small towns work, whether anyone wants to look in the mirror and admit it or not.
It is definitely like that around here. A big sticking point with some is if you had a direct male ancestor settle here that was maybe one generation removed from the Mayflower settlers. All others are unwelcome outsiders. You are right when you say a person can go on to achieve great and honorable things but still be from a family of no-goods in some people's eyes. Had a couple of relationships with girls fall apart while growing up because I was not from a high enough echelon of the local society.
Pat-CT: Go for your dream. Don't let the negative comments scare you off. Get that degree, and if necessary, work at the JD dealership for a while and save up to get your farm. Assuming you are single, marry a country girl that will be content to stay in the country. Raise your kids to be responsible. Give them lots of love, but don't just give them material things, make them earn it. I taught school a number of years, and those kids raised on a farm that have chores and responsibilities have an edge on the city kids. They are generally more mature and responsible. Unfortunately, kids anywhere today are exposed to the drug culture. Parents have to know where their kids are at all times, and even then, it can be a crap shoot. You will likely never get rich farming, but there are far more important things in life than being rich. Good luck.
Anonymous-0
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Been all over...Alaska to Florida. Never had any problems. Seems the older I get though, the more I insure there is good medical care close by.
fixerupper
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About fifteen years ago I was in Orlando grilling pork burgers with an Iowa pork producers group. It was about this time of year and Iowa was the dead of winter. I was making small talk with a young man who came for a burger and he asked me "what do you do for entertainment in Iowa". I really didn't know what to say to this person who lives in one of the premier entertainment centers of the US. Anything I would tell him would be akin to sitting and watching the corn grow compared to what Florida has to offer.
If I would have promoted the midwest's strong religious and ethical values he wouldn't have had a clue as to what I was talking about.
And yes, trying to be accepted into a small town clique is next to impossible if your grandparents weren't baptized there and graduated from the local school and are of the wrong descent. Jim
If I would have promoted the midwest's strong religious and ethical values he wouldn't have had a clue as to what I was talking about.
And yes, trying to be accepted into a small town clique is next to impossible if your grandparents weren't baptized there and graduated from the local school and are of the wrong descent. Jim
To behonest I really dont want to rely soley on farming, The woman who ive been in a realtionship with now is a country girl lives on the farm and has been taught good. I want to have more of a hobby farm something around 40 acres to do hay and maybe an acre or two of vegtables. My true passion is with the mechanical side of agriculture Im hoping on getting a job with A manufaturer working in their R&D branch. Thanks for the kind words CLTX But on the topic of drugs, Never touched them and to be honest have no respect for the people that have, I have seen my parents devorced over my fathers habbits and would never subject a child to that sort of thing. Its a hard world out there sometimes i really think i was born in the wrong part of the country in the wrong time period haha
Pair-a-dice farm
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That reminds me of when my sister moved from Las Vegas to Mississippi. Were were both raised on a farm that I still operate, but as soon as she got out of school she married a city "dude" and never came back. When they moved to MS she couldn"t fit in and was always complaining about the backward people. I told her if she was the one that didn"t fit in maybe they weren"t backward, maybe she needed to turn around. I couldn"t live next door to her either. I"ve been all over the country and when talking to rural folks I"ve never had a problem and enjoy learning about THEIR way of life. On the other hand when I"m in the city I don"t fit in.
Goose
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Fixerupper, you reminded me of one time in an insurance company I was talking to a fellow from Delaware. He'd called on a toll free number and had no idea where we were located. When he asked, and I told him Nebraska, he said, "Nebraska! What's there to do in Nebraska?"
I couldn't resist it. I told him, "Not much, if you can keep the Indians from crawling in the windows".
I almost thought he believed me!
I couldn't resist it. I told him, "Not much, if you can keep the Indians from crawling in the windows".
I almost thought he believed me!
Zach Bouchard
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Henry ford did the same thing. He bought a house in a gated rich community and was so sick of it and didn't fit in he bought his famous ten thousand acre estate. I couldn't live in the city, i wouldn't fit in and it would drive me nuts.
My brother-n-law that lives in MO Said that people moved into that area because taxes were cheap, and then griped because they didn't have city water & sewer, street lights & all the things they had in city. He said his answer to them was "Why do you think the taxes are cheaper".
The trouble with most people that move from the city they don't try to blend in with the locals. but in some areas like WV . If you are from the next county you are a forner and if you are from the city you will never be accepted as one of them. My family was county that I live in now but my Great Grandfather left and moved to county next this one. When I moved back to this county it was years before I was accepted only then when they found out I was cousin of the local Judge. By the way my family did come over on a ship right after the Mayflower.
The trouble with most people that move from the city they don't try to blend in with the locals. but in some areas like WV . If you are from the next county you are a forner and if you are from the city you will never be accepted as one of them. My family was county that I live in now but my Great Grandfather left and moved to county next this one. When I moved back to this county it was years before I was accepted only then when they found out I was cousin of the local Judge. By the way my family did come over on a ship right after the Mayflower.
As far as fitting into our local town, I haven't had any problems. But I am very outgoing, ( fat, bald and goodlookin !!) I talk to pretty much everybody, my wife and I do volunteer work, attend a local church, and we started a business and have employed several local people. I have been very fortunate, I have very good neighbors. Basically everything works for me!!! The only negative I have is the weather here. It's snowing again......grrrrrr......!!!!!!
In 1952 my folks came from two, yes, two miles over. My dad bought this 40 acre farm from some elderly people who were moving. I live next to my folks. TO THIS DAY, the many neighbors are still cold to us. I asked my mom years ago why that is. She said they were all mad because an "outsider" had bought this farm in 1952. Yup, all the way from two miles away!! In the 60's we had a very rural Fire dept. In the 70's I asked my dad why he never joined. He said every time he asked there was never an "opening", but then one of the neighbors would get in, instead. Now, my dad is almost 90, and they are all just drooling til he dies, hoping they can buy the land. Well, nope! I'll drive a hundred miles to find a buyer if I have to. My siblings are not interested in the farm and I planned on staying here forever. But, when my kids are gone, if I'm able, I'm outta here. We are nice, clean, decent people, with no strange behaviors. So sometime fitting in is their problem not your own.
In the early 90's my two best friend's worked for the local hospital. One for years the other for about two years. One day the shorter termed pal got promoted to senior finish carpenter. My other friend was pi$$ed. Not because he was bypassed, no, because there was a much better man for the job that was bypassed. I asked him why my other friend had gotten the job. He said the boss had to give him the promotion because both the boss and the guy were on the Vol fire dept together! We seldom speak anymore
HENRY E NC
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I have lived in different parts of the country and I can assure you that as an outsider you will never fit in. You may think you are fitting in great but it aint so Herman. When push comes to shove nothing beats a local. Most are "kin" in small communities and that is much more important than"friends" I was and still a a farm boy(78) and I can usually get along with anyone, but as I said "kin" counts for everything even if he is a child molester, drunk, horse theif etc. I also lived in the city and thats about as low as one can slide bercause no one cares for anyone else.
They probably didn't fit in in Miami either. You know the story about the new land buyer asking the local old timer if the neighbors in the area were good or bad. Old timer asked him what kind of neighbors he had at his old place. New guy said, "Good neighbors." Old timer sez, well you'll have good neighbors here, too.
We've got city transplants here. Some are excellent neighbors, and some not. It's up to the individual to fit in, but sometimes I think it's a preconcieved notion that we don't.
I know a real nice family who moved to S. Illinois from Tennessee for work (back when there was work). Everybody likes the family, and you never hear anything but good about them. I was disappointed when the father told me that he didn't feel accepted up here in the "north". But then I remember going thru the museum at Ft. Donelson, in Dover, TN. The little boy in front of us asked his mom, "Mom, did we win the war, or did they?" She replied, "THEY DID!" It made me notice that our license plate was the only one in the parking lot from north of the M/D line.
Paul
We've got city transplants here. Some are excellent neighbors, and some not. It's up to the individual to fit in, but sometimes I think it's a preconcieved notion that we don't.
I know a real nice family who moved to S. Illinois from Tennessee for work (back when there was work). Everybody likes the family, and you never hear anything but good about them. I was disappointed when the father told me that he didn't feel accepted up here in the "north". But then I remember going thru the museum at Ft. Donelson, in Dover, TN. The little boy in front of us asked his mom, "Mom, did we win the war, or did they?" She replied, "THEY DID!" It made me notice that our license plate was the only one in the parking lot from north of the M/D line.
Paul
HENRY E NC
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Oh yeah, I forgot. I moved to NC from Florida abd imediately was branded a Floridiot. But soon earned my wings because: I didn't build on a mountain top, I didnt complain because of no city water and sewer, I lived on a dirt road, I changed my license plate ate at the local diner etc. The compplainers mmove from one area to another and try to bring all the stuff they hated with them. The also think they are much more advanced than the locals and its hilarious when they try to make changes at the Count Commission meeting. such as why cant I dam up the creek and change its direectrin. Who really cares about the people downstream who get their water from that spring and have for oer a hundred years/.
Anonymous-0
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Years ago, when my dad was a young man, he tried to get on the local volunteer fire departments...both the town fire department AND the township. But it seemed that since he wasn't of the correct social strata, they wouldn't accept him. He was a churchgoer, ran a successful business, and wasn't a drinker, much less a drunkard. So he came away with the idea that it was more of a social club than an actual firefighting group. Instead, he became a charter member of the local chapter of the JayCees, a 4-H leader, a Scoutmaster [and later a district Scouting rep], and was active in his local saddle club...raised three children, and had a rather fulfilling life without ever becoming a volunteer fireman.
"Old timer asked him what kind of neighbors he had at his old place. New guy said, "Good neighbors." Old timer sez, well you'll have good neighbors here, too."
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That's true for the most part. Some people never like to hear "Maybe its not everyone else, maybe its you".
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That's true for the most part. Some people never like to hear "Maybe its not everyone else, maybe its you".
Anonymous-0
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I grew up in a small town. When I got married, I moved to a toen closer to the city so I woudn't have so far to drive to work. After 15 years my first wife died and I moved back to the county where I grew up. But suddenly I was an "outsider," because my kids had gone to school in a suburb of the big city. My mom, grandmother, and dozens of cousins still live in the home community, but after spending the last 15 years back in the county where I grew up,I'm still considered an "outsider" or a "transplant" from the city. Still trying to figure out how that works.
Oh, yeah...the attitude I get comes primarily from folks who were "transplants" during the period I lived just outside the big city. They now consider themselves "longtime residents," but I'm not...even though, on the aggregate, I've lived here more years than they have.
Oh, yeah...the attitude I get comes primarily from folks who were "transplants" during the period I lived just outside the big city. They now consider themselves "longtime residents," but I'm not...even though, on the aggregate, I've lived here more years than they have.
You are right:
I have seen this all to often City folks move to the country not knowing what is head of them, Only to find out that living in the country is not all that easy. In the long run it will cost them more to live in the country than the city, that is if they have to drive to work every day, 35/40/50 miles a day. And if they buy 10 acres or more land and build on it and don’t make it AG land the property tax’s will eat them up: I have a guy down the road from me that 35 acres and built his home on it and did not make it AG: land and his property tax is $4.000 a year, my 180 acres with my big two story new shop, 80’ horse barn, Tractor shed, and other outer buildings my property tax is $980.00 per year:
By the way we just put new siding and a deck 6 yeas ago.
That is the difference between AG,LAND,ACREAGE, RES.IT helps to be from the country or for the country. YOU CAN THE BOY FROM THE COUNTRY, BUT YOU CANT TAKE THE COUNRTY OUT OF THE BOY.
Am I complaining NOOOOOP:
JR.Frye
You were the agent of change.
People really fear change.
You probably spent a few dollars that first year. Saved a few 100 dollars the 2nd & each following year, but everyone remembers the new guy that throws money around & changes everything......
The guy who replaced you didn't change much, so nothing to fear from him, and the programs worked and worked well so that's cool, like this guy....
I'm not saying outside had nothing to do with it. But, I think the 'frar of change' mighta played as big or bigger role. Possibly.
I keep too much to myself, and don't bother keeping up on gossip too much, to ever really get into those sorts of who came from where deals. Too anti-social I guess!
--->Paul
People really fear change.
You probably spent a few dollars that first year. Saved a few 100 dollars the 2nd & each following year, but everyone remembers the new guy that throws money around & changes everything......
The guy who replaced you didn't change much, so nothing to fear from him, and the programs worked and worked well so that's cool, like this guy....
I'm not saying outside had nothing to do with it. But, I think the 'frar of change' mighta played as big or bigger role. Possibly.
I keep too much to myself, and don't bother keeping up on gossip too much, to ever really get into those sorts of who came from where deals. Too anti-social I guess!
--->Paul
Anonymous-0
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I think it's all about expectations. I moved from the city back into the country hoping to get away from the stench (noise, congestion, potholes, in-your-face people, etc.) that exists in the big city. I wanted to live peacefully in the country with fewer hassles. Since moving to the country 6 years ago, I discovered that we have stench here too but only if I go looking for it which I refuse to do. Because of choices (or maybe luck - hard to tell which), I have my little corner of the world on the edge of the woods, wife and kids are in good health and spirit, found a couple like-minded folks that we now call friends, the JD two-banger still gets the job done albeit a little slow, garlic crop looks promising this year, have plenty of firewood to burn yet, and my homebrew has great fizz although some do blow-up sometimes which is my fault cuz I don't drink 'em fast enough. All in all, life is pretty good out here cause I have low expectations for myself which I attain. Hehe!
Honestly everyone, if you desire misery - you can find it anywhere. What are your expectations??
Just curious did anyone on this forum Zip to Zap, ND back in the late 60s?? What a great party!! The ND folk were pretty friendly at that event. Well - except for the ND Nat'l Gaurd who after 3 days drove 'em out of the state.
Honestly everyone, if you desire misery - you can find it anywhere. What are your expectations??
Just curious did anyone on this forum Zip to Zap, ND back in the late 60s?? What a great party!! The ND folk were pretty friendly at that event. Well - except for the ND Nat'l Gaurd who after 3 days drove 'em out of the state.
cadet trooper
Well-known Member
I grew up in the days before mecury vapor lights and winter nights were dark and long with stoked wood and coal burners all night waking up to a chilly house unless you got up to drop a chunk or log in them. The outhouses I can do without. I wouldn"t have it anyother way neighbors help each other when needed. Some people can"t deal with that and maybe they had poor cell phone or texting coverage for the kids there. I would have problems if I couldn"t connect to the internet and get on here. :->
Wesley Stephens
Member
Mercury vapor lights are a scourge upon the land. We don't have any here and can't see any, but I hate to ride around at night and see them everywhere. I feel sorry for folks without them who have close neighbors.
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