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so my father was driving down the highway, When a cop pulls him over makes him sit for 5 minuites in the car my father gets out the cop yells at him to get back in, he eventually gets out and gives the car a thorough inspection, ends up some idiot saw my fathers chore boots laying on the floor and a shovel, they thought he had a dead body that he was going to bury and called the police, then the cop tells my father NOT to do it again, do what carry boots and a shovel in the back of a station wagon. geez the least he could have done was apolagized.
 
I don't usually say this, but talk to a lawyer and see what can be done about this. That is just plain stupid and someone should be called to account for it.

Christopher
 
Any cop that is that stupid needs to be fired.

Work boots and a shovel in a car???

I hope he doesn't see me. I have utility knives, rubber gloves and paint thinner in my truck usually. If he catches me I'll get the chair for sure.
 
#1 your dad need to get the guys badge number. #2 he then needs to call the troop head quarters and complain. If he does not get justice there he then needs to call a lawyer. What that cop did was not legal in any way and a cop telling you that you can not carry something in your car is not right and the cop should have to make ameins for what he did
 
Generally, unless there is a tape or video recording of the conversation, it comes down to a "he said/cop said" situation...and the man with the badge generally wins all ties.

Cops can pull you over without having probable cause; that principle is what makes drunken driving roadblocks legal. And if the cops has other cop friends who will lie for him, the Constitution and state laws don't stand a chance.

Actually, your dad needs to keep his mouth shut and keep his nose clean. Cops can make your life miserable if you go around stirring up trouble. As one cop told me, as long as he's he one wearing the badge and carrying the gun, he IS the law...no matter what the lawyers and judges say.

My advice to your dad is to let it go and enjoy the fact that he's continuing to inhale and exhale. The cop "could have" decided that his exiting the car posed a danger to the cop's personal safety, and shot him dead. Even if the cop is legally and morally wrong, unless your dad is Jesus Christ, once he's dead, he's dead. Learn from this incident, put it behind you, and move on. That's the problem with America today, too many people looking to take someone to court so they can "win the lottery." Respect the cop's authority, and let it go.
 
It Winter Time ! What's He to do Shevel Snow With His Fingers ! That Cop Is a Out Right A H and Need to be put on SHEVEL DUTY !
 
and that's why he's a cop , loves power , try to get rid of these types although 70 percent join for that.
 
It might not do any good but I would definitely report the cop. Here in NC I think the highway patrol spends more time on arrogance training than anything else.
 
I USED to fight petty a$$holes such as cops like that. Y'know where it got me? It got me a reputation as a troublemaker. When you're 17 and getting your ID checked by the same cop 2 or 3 times a day, 5 or 6 days a week, it gets to be intimidation. When you learn to keep your mouth shut, the cops "magically" stop sitting outside your home and your workplace, and they "suddenly" quit following you every time you leave the house.

But it took me awhile to learn my lesson, because I used to think that laws and the Constitution actually meant something in this country. But I'm smarter than that now, because I learned the lessons the authorities worked so hard to teach me.
 
If someone reported your old man for suspicious activity, the cop had no choice but check him out. How he handled it could be a different story. Not real bright to get out of the car in a situation like that. Saw something on TV about people calling 911 because their order at KFC was wrong. Dispatcher had no choice but to send someone. Sure like to hear the loudmouths sing when they need a cop and he don't show up cause it'd make him look like a power monger.


Dave
 
"My advice to your dad is to let it go and enjoy the fact that he's continuing to inhale and exhale. The cop "could have" decided that his exiting the car posed a danger to the cop's personal safety, and shot him dead. Even if the cop is legally and morally wrong, unless your dad is Jesus Christ, once he's dead, he's dead. Learn from this incident, put it behind you, and move on. That's the problem with America today, too many people looking to take someone to court so they can "win the lottery." Respect the cop's authority, and let it go."


That isn't right.You have to be kidding, deluded or some *ss of a cop if you believe this.
A badge doesn't give a man the power to do what ever he wants. Such as shooting an old man getting out of his vehicle.
Some cops are such evil egotistical pricks.
So we are just supposed to suck it up and take in our place as civilians. And cower at the police?
The police should be honor bound to act fair and honestly.
Too often the only difference between cops and criminals is the uniform and badge.
 
Agreed. There are WAY too many cops whose ONLY reason for pinning on a badge is because it allows them to LEGALLY be a bully.
 
Nope.

I've had my share of run-ins with cops stepping over the line, and y'know what? The cop ALWAYS wins. If he loses ONE round, some other cop will end up extracting vengeance FOR him. Is it worth dying just to stand your ground when a cop's in the wrong? Is it worth it to know that, after standing your ground when you're right, the cops will begin to find other things to do and other places to be when YOU have an emergency? Sorry, but the lives of my family and loved ones are worth more than that.

Bad cops get mad, AND they get even. Their fellow cops protect them. Their prosecutor friends protect them. That's why and how they manage to keep their jobs. I already know what cops SHOULD be; problem is, a large percentage of 'em aren't what they should be.
 
That's exactly my point. If you stir up some crap about this cop, his buddies in blue will find other things to do and other places to be when YOU are the one with an emergency and need a cop.

Too many Americans want to sue somebody and collect a big settlement over something they could otherwise overlook and just get on with their lives. They can learn how to hold a cup of coffee, and understand that OF COURSE it's going to be hot. They can learn that even cops have bad days, and learn to turn the other cheek.

If you're a private and a sergeant treats you like that, do you stand up for yourself, or are you expected to "become a wuss" and take it? Learn this, if you learn nothing else: just like a sergeant can treat a recruit like crap, if youn fail to do what an police officer instructs you, YOU CAN GO TO JAIL. And just being "in the right" is small consolation when you have to hire a lawyer and raise bail money. [And since those ACLU lawyers are "commies," don't you DARE call one of them!]
 
You only have to pass one test to be a cop, and thats to be able to tie your shoes, embarrassing for the chief the watch them trip over their laces. Thats why 99% of them wear pull on shoes, because if they do know how to tie them, their too laze to do it.
 
The other day as I was crossing over an interstate overpass it was snowing so hard you couldn't see with about 3 or 4 inches of snow on the ground there was a highway patrolman changing a womans flat.
How would you like to have to walk up to a car, any car now days (dark windows) without checking it out 1st. Everytime a lawman does that he takes his life in his hands
Some people just can't stand authority and all lawmen are abusers of the public. I don't believe that........
 
(quoted from post at 18:38:45 02/06/10) there was a highway patrolman changing a womans flat.
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Yea, but that don't count........ and we don't wanna notice stuff like that...

Sad thing is, there are people that read this and other forums that have never been to America and what they see on the forums IS the way America and Americans is/are. Kinda embarrassing at times...
Dave
 
I dont expect him not to investigaite, just to treat a human being like a human being. and not say something like DONT put boots and a shovel in a car with a straight face.
 
Contrary to some of the ridiculous replies in this thread, let me fill you in on what might have occurred. My qualifications - 25yrs a cop and 10yrs a vehicle stop instructor.

First, Buzz nearly got it right in that no probable cause is needed to make a stop. It's called reasonable suspicion. PC is what's needed for an arrest. Suspicion is needed to detain someone.

If your father waited 5 minutes (likely less as even a minute seems like a long time under the circumstances) then it was due to the license plate return from dispatch being slow, the officer confirming what the actual complaint and vehicle description were, plus checking on the distance of backup, should any be needed.

No offense to your father, but I have a hard time believing the officer seriously said "not to do it again" with regard to boots and a shovel in the car. Perhaps a joke, perhaps a misunderstanding. Truth is the officer likely thought the original complaint was the joke in the whole affair.

As far as what the officer could have done? The standard for whether or not you stay in the car or get ordered out by the officer has been determined by two Supreme Court cases. Officer's call - not yours.

The way most officers are/should be trained, and rightfully so, is if he truly thought your father had a dead body in the car and was up to no good -Dad exits the car at gunpoint. You never approach a car when there is a belief you might see the business end of gun. It's called a high risk (or felony) stop - gun comes out first, apologies can come later.

And for Geezer - I and many officers I have worked with have apologized when it's realized there has been a mistake made and someone was pulled over that should not have been. Just so you know though, I have been pulled over both before and since being LE. Dealt with some arrogant officers myself. See next paragraph to undertand why.

Consider the fact that persons employed by police departments come from the general public - just like farmers, truckers, etc. Imagine, based on some of the responses you've seen just in this thread, if those posters were law enforcement for a living. How well do you think Dad would have fared based on some of the vitriol and narrow minded (and in some case flat out racist) statements you've seen in various postings over the weeks/months on of all things a TRACTOR board? Then consider their are other boards where the real low lifes of the world hang out.

Sorry you father didn't like the way it went down, but in retrospect everyone went home unscathed and he has a story to tell about the "dead body" that almost got him arrested.
 
(quoted from post at 18:52:50 02/06/10) I dont expect him not to investigaite, just to treat a human being like a human being. and not say something like DONT put boots and a shovel in a car with a straight face.
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Maybe the cop was talking about getting out of the car before being told when he was pulled over and things got twisted a little????
 
I guess the cop could have handled it a lot better. He should have just went up to the car and asked what they shovel and boots were for. There are way too many paranoid people out there. I got a neighbor lady like that. A black person came to look at something we listed for sale and mistakenly knocked on the wrong window. A few days later after talking to the totally paranoid neighbor, she comes up with this ridiculous story that a big black man came to her door to rob her and had a knife. He made an honest mistake and wasn't there to rob anyone. Up here the cops are too busy with their photo radar to do any real police work. I'm in Edmonton and a couple of weeks ago, Edmonton was rated something like 24th. out of 33 major Canadian cities for solving crimes. It's not illegal to carry a shovel and boots in your car. I don't think if someone had killed another person, they'd leave the shovel and boots out in plain site. A lot of cops have a big ego. There are some sensible cops though. Dave
 
I recently went through a very scary traffic stop with an Oregon State Policeman. It was not fun, and the only thing he latched on to was the fact that I had an empty 30.06 box in my glovebox when I got out my registration. It seems to me that the police have become more militaristic in their dealings with citizens. I wonder if others have noted this.
 
the cop could have handled it a lot better, but any traffic stop can be a life or death situation for a cop, until the info on the car comes back he doesnt know if he has grandpa or billy bad a-- in person, add in stupid, on the cops part, or the citizen ,and things take a deadly turn fast, had that happen here [ again] last summer , this is a small town,/ country area, but has a large amount of passers thru, a county sherrif deputy sighted a bolo subject, in his truck, wanted on felony warrants in 2 states, with this info the cop decided to stop this guy without waiting for backup anyway , [ backup officer was less than 5 minutes out] , result; suspect jumped out of his truck shot officer point blank with 5 rounds of .357 mag and got away, after months and months of life and death minute by minute in the icu the officer survived by some merricle, the suspect was at large for almost 3 weeks in the area, a search involving most state police officers in the southern part of the state as well as all local ones and 2 aircraft finally spotted the guy, he was shot numerous times 23 , if i remember right while "resisting arrest" , the point being all of this would have been avoidable if he had just waited 5 minutes for the backup, local cops now stop everyone including blue haired grandma, using 3 officers and 3 units for each stop,
 
Cops are not your friend.
They tried to indoctrinate us to their helpfulness when we were little but it was just another myth like Santa Claus that you had to learn the truth about when you got older.
 
My old man was a NYS BCI Investigator, did his 20 and got out. While he was there, some highs and lows- he was Roy Roger's and Liberace's bodyguard, and he was Troop A, Batavia for a while, which meant he was at Attica- in fact he was the guy firing tear gas out of the helicopter into the yard before the assault. Never had to fire his "real" gun at anyone. But he did tell me, when I was 16, "I don't care what you decide to do with your life, just promise me you won't be a cop- the stuff you'll see and be expected to ignore and cover up will drive you nuts"
Between that and the human factor, meaning that a few folks who have no business being cops sneak through the screen, a little discretion on your part goes a long way- and no matter if you did anything wrong in the first place, if a cop tells you to do something and you don't, you've just become wrong. Better to go with the program, hope there's a (credible) witness, and pursue it later.
We had one in particular here in town that never should have been, spent a few years as a motor, and had MANY complaints from women he'd pulled over that hadn't done anything, and pressured them for $ex to get out of a bogus ticket, etc. Had done a little Golden Gloves, and was always trying to pick fights in bars, etc. Made such a bad name for himself that the other blues got sick of him, he was really just a lousy excuse for a human being. So he's in a crowded, popular local restaurant one Friday night, has a couple, gets arrogant with a friend of mine who's sitting with his family, and hauls off and hits my buddy, laughing whatareyagonnadoaboutit hahaha... A couple other friends, both well-known and respected contractors in town, grabbed him and drug him outside, laid him across a car hood, and beat the he// out of him, and most of the patrons came out and cheered. One of the guys called my first friend's (the guy who got hit in the first place)son-in-law, who happened to be a PD Sergeant, to come and get his drunken a$$hole cop that had tripped and fell down in the parking lot. He came down with a patrolman and scooped up Mr. Tough Guy, after checking out his FIL's cut cheek, got a few witness statements, "yeah, he hit that guy over there and then fell down", and went downtown and started the paperwork
 
Scary or unsettling?

To police, ammo in the car means "gun on board" until determined otherwise. Proper response is to control your hands (on steering wheel), walk back to police car, call you out of your car, you then walk back to him until status of weapon is determined.

Click the link to see what's scary. And contrary to what someone might post, no police job in the country pays enough to take this. I'm going home at the end of my shift - has nothing to do with being militaristic.
shot in face
 
All the police covet is MORE power, and MORE control over the lives of law abiding citizens.

They ride around, dressed up like RoboCop, and demand that people respect them.

They actually believe the propaganda that they put out, while all the time demanding more laws, and less freedom for the citizens they are suppossed to protect. The murdering b00bs at the Federal Bureau of Incompetence are forever telling state and local levels of law enforcemet that the American citizen is the enemy, and the state and local agencies eat that sh!t up, because it gives them more ideas on how to harass and intimidate.

The man was very lucky to escape without being seriously injured, or worse.

Cops deserve whatever happens to them, they get absolutely NO sympathy from me.

Law enforcement is NOT your friend.
 
Correctamundo, UnEarl.

But the sad fact is, local prosecutors and the bad cops' brothers in blue will lie and deny to protect them. So unless you enjoy risking your life, or unless you have a death wish--which most cops would be more than happy to grant--your best bet, if you enjoy spending time with your kids and grandkids, is to sit down, shut up, do what the officer says, and learn from your encounters.

MOST of my generation learned the lesson of Kent State: once you're dead, principles--and the fact you were right all along--essentially mean nothing to you...once you're dead. But some folks apparently never got the message.
 

Arguing with an idiot makes you look like an idiot, so I guess I'll regret this.........

But you folks that are such an expert on how bad cops are, must be real screwups to have had so much experience with them...........

If the sign says 55mph, then the cop is obligated to enforce it.You are not obligated to obey the sign, but would be real smart to obey the cop when he stops you. If you aren't guilty of anything and get stopped (of course, no one is doing anything wrong) a "hey, thanks for looking out or have a nice day" would prolly make a cops day that much better.
If bubba and marcel are having a couple beers and beating around the roads in the bumper hanging off jalopy, I'd sure appreciate Barney getting them out of circulation so they don't wipe out an inocent passerby that just may be a friend or family member.

Maybe i'm just ignant , but I know the difference between right and wrong and am prepared to take responsibility if I screw up without badmouthing the one that catches me.


Dave
 
Hurryin, thanks for the reply. Scary, unsettling, disturbing, yes all of the above. I most certainly object to be treated like a criminal for having something in my truck that is perfectly legal and visibly empty. I also object to being asked intrusive questions, when I had done nothing wrong. He pulled me over for a turn signal out on the trailer I was pulling, all my papers were in order, and I really felt that the OSP trooper was itching for an excuse to haul me out of the truck. I answered his questions, as improper as they were, because I was afraid. He was really on the prod,in my opinion. My parents raised me to believe in the saying, "of the people, by the people, for the people". This was government unto the people, in my opinion. I felt and still feel that the OSP trooper was way out of line. The disturbing part of the whole thing, is that there is nothing I can do about it. I have heard of this sort of thing happening, but I haven't had a ticket in over thirty years, so yes I am shocked. I can now understand when people tell me that they are afraid of the police. Thank you for relating your credentials and experiences. I sincerely hope you would take to heart what I have written, and use it in your training.
 
So when you get stopped for merely having a pair of work boots and a shovel in your vehicle...as did the guy whose "problem" started this post...should you thank the cop as well...apparently for making sure you were on the straight-and-narrow?

In America, it USED to be that, if you weren't breaking the law, you wouldn't get stopped by a cop. THOSE DAYS ARE OVER. Maybe over there in Germany where you LIVE it ain't like that, but here in the USA where the REST of us live, it certainly isn't uncommon to be stopped by a cop for no reason, other than the same reason that a dog licks his azz: BECAUSE HE CAN.

Difference is, I've learned that if you want to stay healthy and unincarcerated, you just shut the hell up about it and go on with your life. Some of these folks think you should stir up stuff and try to get the cop fired, or at least disciplined. They haven't learned yet: THAT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN in America today. Since 9/11, cops are untouchable. It's pretty much ALWAYS been that way, but it's moreso since 9/11.
 
(quoted from post at 16:26:22 02/07/10) Maybe over there in Germany where you LIVE it ain't like that, but here in the USA where the REST of us live.
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Sometimes ya just have to shake your head and move on............. Once someone decides they wanna be ignorant, there ain't no changing their mind........
I think I read in the original post that someone had turned the guy in for suspicious activity, if that's not probable cause, I'll kiss your a$$ and give ya 20 minutes to draw a crowd...........

Dave
 
My daily driver is a 69 GMC pickup. It is old and ugly, but safe and reliable. The cops see it and hear it, and immediately think I must be a bad guy (Long gray beard). They run the plate and see t hat it is registered to a guy on the hot list.
I just happen to be named the same as a guy on the hot list, first middle and last. We even lived in the same apartment building in the mid 70's. His mother's 1st name is the same as my mother's 1st name. My saving grace is that he is about 3" shorter and about 50 lbs lighter.
The senior troopers see that right off, the rookies have their shaky hands on their weapon. Kinda makes a guy nervous. ya learn to make no quick moves.
Tim in OR
 
Yeah...carrying a shovel and a pair of work boots qualifies as "probably cause" where I come from. It SHOULDN'T, but this is America...where, under the police state, you are guilty until you can prove yourself innocent.

As I've said before, in America it ONCE was the case that if you were doing nothing wrong, the police would leave you alone. THAT IS NOT THE CASE ANYMORE...despite what you may believe. Today, EVERYONE is a "threat" to the cops unless they're wearing a badge, too.

Funny how you guys who ONCE lived here--or NEVER lived here, as in the case of the Canadians--are so expert on how things are in America. Yeah, I know, you still own land here, and come to visit it every so often. Still a lot different than living here every day; in fact some of the Canadians may even visit more often than you do.

But the truth is, the "land of the free" has become a myth. And hard-headed folks like you refuse to see it. With the passing of the PATRIOT Act, it became less free...and with the current occupant in the White House, it's gonna get even LESS free.
 

Maybe it depends on where you live and the character of the general population (general population being , who gets the most visibility)......... I ran a red light once quite a while ago because the lights here always go to yellow before red or green while yours only hits yellow when going to red..... I must have had the exception stop me.....

Oh well....
 
Tickets are taxes to drive on the hwy. When the tax collector stops you and tickets you, pay the tax. You pay it for everything else. Why would this be different? Keep your blood pressure down.
 
Now, I'm not calling anyone [except those convicted in a court of law] "criminals" over the killing of 4 students at Kent State University on May 4, 1970...not like I'd remember the date or anything.

"FBI has "concluded that no other person than a Guardsman fired a weapon." Ballistics reports indicated that 29 guardsmen fired at least 54 shots during the rifle volley that resulted in the deaths of four and wounding of nine others."

"FBI investigators determined that the shooting lasted 11 seconds and altogether 13 people were hit - four were hit in the front and nine were hit in the side or back."

No National Guardsmen were ever found criminally liable. A couple of students NOT wounded by the Guardsmen were found guilty of riot-related charges. All the details are in the legal chronology in the attached link.

So why is this important to someone who lives in Canada?
Kent State Legal Chronology
 
They wear pull on shoes because they are often pulled out of bed a 2 am because some dink is beating up his wife.I was a small town constable and was on duty 24 hours a day.Did 35 years as a fireman, never got much sleep.
 
Hurryin_Hoosier,
Good posts. Agree with all you say. Whenever I've been stopped (traffic issues), I ALWAYS pull my wallet out of my pocket and get the registration out BEFORE the officer ever exits his car. Usually have plenty of time as he's running the plate which takes a few seconds or minutes. I then put BOTH hands on the wheel so he/she can see them plainly. I respect that they don't know who they've stopped. From then on it's "yessir", "nosir". And I've instructed my 3 daughters on the same protocol.

There is one city (Troy, MI) where I used to have an office that I was pulled over 4 times in less than a year for some pretty lame reasons. Arrogant, surly, cops. But I reacted the same as I described above. Wasn't happy about it but I just moved my office out of that city when the lease was up. LOL.

I once was a contract programmer working on a Sunday at a customer site. Cops were called for an alarm at a business in the same building. Typing away at a computer, I heard "freeze, police" and turned my head to see a big shiny gun pointed at it. Had little to prove I belonged there (other than the key to get in). Scary? yes. Unsettling? yes. But the cops had no idea what they were up against when they walked in the door. I respected their actions.

As for some of the posts, cops will react to YOUR reaction. If you want to pick a fight, a lot of them will accommodate you. Best advice is not to give them a reason to.
 
(quoted from post at 12:55:04 02/07/10)
But you folks that are such an expert on how bad cops are, must be real screwups to have had so much experience with them...........

Maybe i'm just ignant ,
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You must be ignorant.

In michigan it is perfectly [u:942532dfd8][b:942532dfd8][i:942532dfd8]LEGAL[/i:942532dfd8][/b:942532dfd8][/u:942532dfd8] to open carry a handgun with no special license or permit. I have a friend who was walking down the street carrying his sidearm. 3 squad cars approached him (all 3 dash cams pointed straight at the incident) tackled him to the ground (causing injuries) with no other reason than somebody called 911 with a report of "man with gun". The cops they proceeded to cuff him and drag him on his face across the pavement (again causing injuries), [u:942532dfd8][b:942532dfd8][i:942532dfd8]ILLEGALLY[/i:942532dfd8][/b:942532dfd8][/u:942532dfd8] detain him for the better part of an hour. Only to release him with no charges (imagine that he did nothing illegal), but they illegally seized his gun. When the judge ordered the return of his firearm it miraculously got lost in evidence lockup.


When he finally got a hold of the dash cam videos somehow the audio cut out while he was screaming, and the cameras malfunctioned during the tackle and dragging. hmmmm sounds like bad cops to me.
 
(quoted from post at 08:09:54 02/09/10)
(quoted from post at 12:55:04 02/07/10)
But you folks that are such an expert on how bad cops are, must be real screwups to have had so much experience with them...........

Maybe i'm just ignant ,
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You must be ignorant.

In michigan it is perfectly [u:535e10e73c][b:535e10e73c][i:535e10e73c]LEGAL[/i:535e10e73c][/b:535e10e73c][/u:535e10e73c] to open carry a handgun with no special license or permit. I have a friend who was walking down the street carrying his sidearm. 3 squad cars approached him (all 3 dash cams pointed straight at the incident) tackled him to the ground (causing injuries) with no other reason than somebody called 911 with a report of "man with gun". The cops they proceeded to cuff him and drag him on his face across the pavement (again causing injuries), [u:535e10e73c][b:535e10e73c][i:535e10e73c]ILLEGALLY[/i:535e10e73c][/b:535e10e73c][/u:535e10e73c] detain him for the better part of an hour. Only to release him with no charges (imagine that he did nothing illegal), but they illegally seized his gun. When the judge ordered the return of his firearm it miraculously got lost in evidence lockup.


When he finally got a hold of the dash cam videos somehow the audio cut out while he was screaming, and the cameras malfunctioned during the tackle and dragging. hmmmm sounds like bad cops to me.
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Sounds like Michigan is a bad place to live, I'd move...............

Did you see all this first hand? Or get the instant replay over the bar?
 
(quoted from post at 01:26:32 02/10/10)
Sounds like Michigan is a bad place to live, I'd move...............

Did you see all this first hand? Or get the instant replay over the bar?
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Just one particular city below the bridge seems to have trouble with the law enforcement.

I did not see it first hand. But have known the individual for all my life, and he wouldn't lie about things like that. Nor would the 3-4 homeowners (to whom this was in their front yard) who have since become witnesses for the trial of the officers.

One of the officers even admitted to the tackling because the guy "looked like a threat". Hmm walking down the street minding your own business is realllll threatening. Can you say abuse of power.


As for moving.... Hows the gun situation over in Germany? Last I knew it was tough to get a handgun and next to impossible to carry one there. Also some ridiculously classes and permits for hunters and target shooters to be able to possess a firearm. Hmmm sounds like here is still much better than there... Unless that all changed
 
real PITA to own a gun other than an airgun here. I got a bb gun in the barn for rats/mice. All I need at the moment.

Dave
 
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