Kickinbull
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Was reading today that you should only fill the rears with cloride to 40%. With 18.4 x 34's how many gals., lbs. would that be?
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Kickinbull
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This is for use in a nuclear power plant! That's why I posted it on YT! NOT!
I was reading it on "Tractor Performance, what's best for you."
I was reading it on "Tractor Performance, what's best for you."
Don McCullough
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As you probably know salt solution makes for rust down the road.
New product--maybe more than one--that avoids this. Advertise in Green Magazine and elsewhere. Expect someone here can tell you this products name.
Don
New product--maybe more than one--that avoids this. Advertise in Green Magazine and elsewhere. Expect someone here can tell you this products name.
Don
Standard fill is 75%. As such, you could look up the tire size in a standard fill chart, take those numbers, divide by 0.75 and then multiply by 0.4 if you want 40% fill.
Given how standard the 75% fill is, I'd be curious where you were reading that 40% is more desirable, and what the claimed benefit is.
If beet juice is distributed in your area and you want to use that, it's evidently 3-6 times the cost of Calcium Chloride. Beet Juice is aka RimGuard. Corn syrup would probably work as well, but might cost more - I wonder what it costs in bulk near a plant?
If you ignore leaks, CaCl2 solution does promote rusting. If you attend to leaks and clean up any spilled fluid when patching the tubes, it's not a problem. Painting the rims and using good tubes and new valve cores helps.
Given how standard the 75% fill is, I'd be curious where you were reading that 40% is more desirable, and what the claimed benefit is.
If beet juice is distributed in your area and you want to use that, it's evidently 3-6 times the cost of Calcium Chloride. Beet Juice is aka RimGuard. Corn syrup would probably work as well, but might cost more - I wonder what it costs in bulk near a plant?
If you ignore leaks, CaCl2 solution does promote rusting. If you attend to leaks and clean up any spilled fluid when patching the tubes, it's not a problem. Painting the rims and using good tubes and new valve cores helps.
Thurlow's comment was making fun of a forum regular who said yesterday that any one who uses Ca in tractor tires could never get a job in the aviation or nuclear industries. This is also the same guy who is obsessed with how bad 8N's are and I think he would ban them if he was king for day.
Dave
Dave
buickanddeere
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Radial or bias?What is the application? Ideal keeping liquid ballast at or below the axle line. Lowers the center of gravity and allows more "give" in the tire.
buickanddeere
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Just to be clear. It's an "analogy" look it up in the dictionary. Of how one product maybe substituted for another. Gaining relaiability, reducting liabilty or potential for failure. With little ot no increase in cost . With little to no loss in performance.
It's just simple common sense.
As for the N series Ford. They are not the ideal tractor for "Joe weekend farmer". With little experience and modern demands.Beyond the use of formally horse drawn implements behind it.
A little scouting will find a Massey 100 series for similar money. With a fine diesel,12V, live pto,live hydraulics and real brakes. The chassis will even accept an aftermarket rops.
It's just simple common sense.
As for the N series Ford. They are not the ideal tractor for "Joe weekend farmer". With little experience and modern demands.Beyond the use of formally horse drawn implements behind it.
A little scouting will find a Massey 100 series for similar money. With a fine diesel,12V, live pto,live hydraulics and real brakes. The chassis will even accept an aftermarket rops.
Aaron SEIA
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Depends on how much ca you want to use. My chart shows 100 gal of H20 to fill an 18.4x34 to valve stem full with the valve at 12 o'clock. At 5 lb ca per gallon of H20 you have 81 gallons of H20, 405 lb of ca for a total of 1081 lbs. I assume that is per tire. With 2 lbs of ca per gallon you have 91 gallons of H20, 182 lbs of ca, for a total of 941 lbs. 2 lbs has a slush point of 13 degrees, 5 lbs has a slush point of -53. This chart was figured with type 1 ca, for type 2, subtract 25%.
AaronSEIA
AaronSEIA
Beet juice. 75% fill. David.......................
http://www.rimguard.biz/Documentation/rimguardhydroflationtableforagtires.htm
http://www.rimguard.biz/Documentation/rimguardhydroflationtableforagtires.htm
glennster
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here is a link to a ballast chart with tires sizes, gallons held and weight using chloride. my opinion on ballast, if you have a parade tractor or trailer queen, keep the ballast off it. if it is a working tractor, either tillage or loader application, ballast accordingly. heavy tillage may require ballast and hanging cast weights. also , using a front loader, you need plenty of ballast on the back end for balance and traction. chloride is the cheapest bang for your buck, then hang weights after that. beet juice is a little too spendy for me.
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teddy52food
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Now who would put calcium in a tubeless tire?????
Anonymous-0
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A 135 diesel for the same price as a Ford N series? I don't think so unless the diesel needs a complete overhaul. I've seen 8N's for up to $2500 and 135 diesel's as high as $9000. That's a big difference, not a similar price. Dave
buickanddeere
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Different market here. $1000-2000 for N's. $2500-5000 for a decent running 35 with a loader, PS and tires good for another 10 years.
Just ask'n here but where do you find rim gaurd or cast wheel weights for "little to no increase" in cost over Ca? For what my local dealer charges for rim gaurd over Ca I can buy a new set of wheels and have change. For what it would cost to get a ton of cast wheel weights to my front door by way of UPS I could by a truck load of wheels.
Dave
Dave
Kickinbull
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that is what they said on the website.
On the bottom end that is still a $1500 spread for a tractor around here that will spend 90% of it's time pulling a hay rake or tobacco wagons.
Aviation and nuclear firms typically have more funds than a farmer. I don't know why, seems like every day on the news aviation companies are loose'n money and how long has it been since a nuclear plant was built?
Dave
Aviation and nuclear firms typically have more funds than a farmer. I don't know why, seems like every day on the news aviation companies are loose'n money and how long has it been since a nuclear plant was built?
Dave
buickanddeere
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With the climate change BS and carbon credits.Nuclear would pay if ran as a business instead of as a submarine.
Still pays here but the industry keeps going down hill with every American ex military expert the buddy system hires here now.
The outside contractors are looting and pillaging.It's unreal the theft in plain sight.
Windshield washer fluid doesn't costs than calcium chloride. It's used diluted, not full strength.
Still pays here but the industry keeps going down hill with every American ex military expert the buddy system hires here now.
The outside contractors are looting and pillaging.It's unreal the theft in plain sight.
Windshield washer fluid doesn't costs than calcium chloride. It's used diluted, not full strength.
buickanddeere
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Liquid to liquid you thick as a brick hick.
When we bought the Ford 7700 1 year old, it came with CC in all 4 tires. The rears are tubeless. It don't rust unless it get oxygen. A 1977 model, it's made 33 years - so far.
I've always only ever heard you should fill a tire so it just covers the rim - about 75% full. Less and it might slosh & cause more drag.
--->Paul
I've always only ever heard you should fill a tire so it just covers the rim - about 75% full. Less and it might slosh & cause more drag.
--->Paul
Anonymous-0
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A 35 isn't a 100 series but typically sell about double just like you suggest. Most 35's didn't have power steering but if there's no loader they are all very easy to steer. Dave
buickanddeere
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It all rhymed so well I just couldn't resist.
buickanddeere
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Sorry.It all rhymed so well I just couldn't resist.
Iowa_tire_guy
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I have taken apart several tubeless tires loaded with calcium and none have showed any sign of rusting. Kinda throws out the calcium will always rust out wheels theory.
Tx Jim
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Did you ever read a ballast chart? The one I read stated" it is recommended to fill tube level with valve stem at valve stem highest point" Every valve stem I've seen on a wheel at highest point is way above the axle.
Air above fluid in a 75% filled tire allows for "give" in the tire.
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