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This is just a question, Why do i see more and more used John Deer Tractors for sale than any other tractor, Just wondering:
From: JR Frye
 
They must have a huge section of the market and the more market share they have just by the numbers will mean that there will be more for sale. (Don't think I am too biased though)
 
your not looking in the right sections! haha but idk john deere started way back and they are the only farm company to be around this long. So thats probably why you see more deeres for sale. But there are a lot of case IH's and ford/new hollands as well as kubotas if your referring to new tractors.
 
It depends what era of tractors your talking about. I think after about the 1970"s Deere started to take over, and I think they still are in control of the majority of the market. I"m an IH guy, but it seems that you do see more john deeres new and old, but in the pre-1950"s tractors it seems like you see alot of fords and IH"s too. Your area is a factor too. Dealers played a huge role in sales. People went to the dealership with the best sales and service, some places had only one dealer close to them way back when and thats where they went becasue it was easier to get parts locally.
 
In the 80's the others had failed or would fail due to declining sales. The demand for tractor dewindled as there were less small farms and fewer large farms, so where a manufactor was selling 100,000 tractors a year drop to 5000 a year. So from the 80's on,, the other competition dropped to almost nil in the big tractor market, the dealers went under or become multiple tractor dealers, compact jap junk showed up everywhere and jd was bout the only one left selling big.. good large ih and fords are rare if not plumb wore out and if not worn out, the owners are hanging on to them as they cant be replaced. so now jd leads, then it new holland, then caseih and then massey with kubota in the the mix somewhere iirc... I believe kubota will be number 2 before long and probably number 1 as they will sell more small tractors in numbers than jd sells big ones...jd small tractors are not the best sellers out there. my 1 cent worth.
 
I had an uncle that farmed with Ford tractors, and laughed at his brothers for buying those HIGH dollar John Deeres. After a number of years, he also had John Deere equipment. I asked why, and he replied "If you have to lose a half day of work every time you go to the dealership 80 miles away, you can save in the long haul by using Deere." He used Deere till his dying day, just like his brothers.
 
John Deere is the largest farm equipment maker, so there should be more used ones around. However, CNH (Case IH, New Holland) is almost 90% as big. Last fiscal year JD revenue was $21.27 billion, CNH was $18.47 billion, and AGCO was $8.42 billion. However, both CNH and Deere sell construction equipment, AGCO does not. Deere paints most of their tractors green while the other two use different colors-makes it seem like Deere has a bigger following.
 
For strictly AG, I think Agco is the biggest. Adding construction equipment isn't comparing apples to apples. JD sells the most tractors in N. America only. World wide they are 4th I think. Dave
 
JD also went into turf equipment because of declining AG sales. That would add a big chunk to the overall figures too. JD does at least have some smart people running things. Dave
 
Alot of guys around here that are buying new tractors are switching to the "RED" tractors. Guess people are just trying to sell the Deeres.
 
Not even close, Deeres going into turf equipment sales happened in the 60's when the 10 and 20 series were setting industry sales records. Deere added the industrial line and turf care equipment over 40 years ago to help make them the equipment sales leader they are today.
 
I think you'll find that in terms of gross revenue in the total AG market, Deere is the leader.
Industrial... Cat leads, followed by Komatsu, then CNH. Deere somewhere below that... so the largest share of Deere's revenue comes from AG. Probably well over 50% of CNH's for that matter.
AGCO may sell a lot of tractors but they're mostly a has been in some sectors like the combine market.
Where do you seriously see a lot of Gleaner's anymore? 30 years ago you could find 5 silver seeders around here for every Deere. Now you can't find ONE Gleaner/Challenger. Deere and CNH comprise probably 95% of that market 'here'... and in bigger N/A markets Claas is knocking a larger hole all the time.
In spite of Deere and CNH's construction business I'm fairly certain both are comfortably ahead of AGCO in revenue...

Rod
 
I'm not talking about tractors with turf tires. JD went into the commercial turf equipment business in the 80's when the tractor and AG markets were declining. Look how many other companies, like IH, went under in the 80's. Golf courses have been on a steady increase while other industries were failing. I'm talking about reel mowers and sand trap rakes and other golf course specialty machines. JD wasn't setting sales records for turf tractors. MF and Ford were always big in turf and LCG tractors. Jacobsen sold an MF20C turf as their G20 tractor in the 80's. Jacobsen has always specialized in turf equipment. JD are the biggest selling tractors in the US only. The rest of the world is a lot bigger than the US. Although not nearly as popular in N. America, MF has been the largest selling tractor in the world since 1962 by a pretty good margin over 2nd place which I think is CNH. MF sales account for a little over half of Agco's sales. The first JD reel mowers were pretty crude and not up to the standards of Toro or Jacobsen. It's suspected the early Deere machines were sourced from Japan. They have gotten a lot better since the first ones though. There's no such thing as a 40 year old JD greens mower, fairway mower or sand trap rake. Dave
 
not true, there is such a thing as a 60 year old Deere greens mower. I happen to own one, a 1946 LI with turf tires and a factory 3 gang reel mower. Deere did market it directly for golf course use seen from the original owners manual. I would like to see a Massey for turf applications from that age.
 
They were "smart" for a while, depends on what you call smart. Today, many golf courses are not paying their bills, not buying or leasing new stuff, just trying to limp along with what they have on site to keep the coarses up.
Same true with landscapers. These two markets are good when the eonomy is good, but some of the first things to go when things turn bad like they did back in September.
Smart in my mind is long term plans, not short term. These have proven to be very short term and short sited.
 
They got into real estate at one time too. There was a big write up in Progressive (Hobby) Farmer a few years ago about John Deere developing a subdivion in Florida with 10 acre ranchettes and custom built homes. Every one came with a 20 something new tractor.

Don't know how it worked out for them.

Dave
 
I Highly doubt JD made the reel mower and it wouldn't be a greens mower. Jacobsen invented the first self propelled greens mower in the late 60's. One of the first all hydraulic drive machines. Dave
 
Interesting, then, how the single model of tractor that has supplied the most horsepower to the world is the Farmall H. No model that JD has made or is making will ever come close.
 
(quoted from post at 22:00:12 01/12/10)
This is just a question, Why do i see more and more used John Deer Tractors for sale than any other tractor, Just wondering:
From: JR Frye
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I had a JD H when I was kid (40+ years ago). Been looking for one to complete my collection. In my area there aren't many 2 cylinder JD's for sale, especially an H...way more IH and Fords.
 
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